Episode 4
EP 107 Divine Purpose, Divine Identity
We must know who We are before we craft our Purpose. Otherwise, our lives will amount to a scattered spiral of chaotic noise. Why do we do the things we do? And from what identity do these actions sprout from? And most importantly, who gave us our identities? Join Brother Amin Muhammad and Brother Adam X as they delve deep into our divine identity, and from that, craft a formula for determining our own divine purpose.
The Gems:
- The podcast emphasizes the importance of understanding one's identity as a foundational aspect of spiritual leadership, encouraging individuals to reflect on their roles in the world.
- Listeners are reminded that true spiritual leadership manifests through actions and integrity rather than mere authoritative declarations.
- A significant theme discussed is the necessity of merging one's passions with the needs of the world to discover and fulfill one's purpose effectively.
- The speakers highlight that the journey toward self-mastery involves continuous effort and alignment with one's higher identity, which is essential for personal growth and community impact.
- The conversation underscores the value of practical experience in shaping one's understanding of purpose and identity, advocating for active engagement in meaningful endeavors.
- Finally, it is articulated that leadership is not about commanding others but rather exemplifying the principles of integrity, humility, and service in everyday actions.
Transcript
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Speaker A: th, in the year of our Lord: Speaker A:Something like him, bro.
Speaker A:It's good to be back.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I had not too many obstacles, but I just.
Speaker A:I feel like a pressure stopped me from doing this, but easy to blow through.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Getting here is the hardest part.
Speaker A:It's the hardest part, but it's not even hard anymore.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:I see it for what it is, and I'm like, oh, okay, I'm supposed to feel a little bit of resistance.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, you know, thus is the nature of the work.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Let's open it up.
Speaker A:Prayer.
Speaker B:Let's do it.
Speaker A:Bismillah ira manirahim alhamdulillah, rabil alameen arachmani, rahim malaki, yominim, Walil Maktubi, Alayhim.
Speaker A:In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful.
Speaker A:All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds, the Beneficent, the most merciful and Master of the Day of Judgment.
Speaker A:The alone do we serve, the alone do we beseech for divine aid.
Speaker A:Guide us on the right path, the path upon whom Thou has bestowed favors not upon whom Thy wrath has been brought down, nor upon those who go astray.
Speaker A:O Allah, guide this conversation.
Speaker A:Guide our paths, loosen the knot from our tongues as you lead us the topics that you would like us to discuss and give us the power to be humble, to do your work and to build that kingdom we love and serve you alone.
Speaker A:Amin.
Speaker A:I mean, it's funny.
Speaker A:I love saying.
Speaker A:I mean, seeing.
Speaker A:I mean, right there, talking to the guy.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's living color.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, we are in living color.
Speaker A:And, you know, we've been going off the topic of, you know, spiritual blueprint establishment, and I. I guess what I'll put on my heart this week is not just submission to the mission, but really being shining examples of, like, what spiritual leadership looks like, you know, but, like, not necessarily on a minister post or a preacher.
Speaker A:Like, so.
Speaker A:Like a preacher?
Speaker A:No, just like.
Speaker B:Like in everyday life.
Speaker A:No, for real.
Speaker A:Like being.
Speaker A:Being in Business, you know, walk my past and perfect.
Speaker B:Walk my path in a perfect manner.
Speaker B:Keeping always in alert.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's just, you know, that walking your path in a perfect manner part.
Speaker B:Doing the best that you can every day.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I was thinking, like, specifically, like, in the, you know, the world of business, you're supposed to hustle, get the bag, and that's like the.
Speaker A:The operating maxim.
Speaker A:But I'm starting to think, who do I like with the spiritual leadership and who do I actually want to be?
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:And how do I move in accordance with that?
Speaker A:If I want to be, quote, unquote, spiritual, I'm not.
Speaker A:Not like, cheesy guru, you know, wearing robes and being cheesy at work, just being like, how do I embody that?
Speaker A:You know, when I'm making money, bro,.
Speaker B:You know, it's absolutely about focusing on building up the self, and then hopefully the money comes, Right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because even if you build up the self, I mean, no matter what you do, you got to build up the self, because when the money comes, it'll only be enjoyed if you've built up the self.
Speaker B:If you're doing something that's outside of your character, that you don't even.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:You're not even passionate about, it doesn't matter anyway.
Speaker B:You won't.
Speaker B:You won't be able to enjoy the money.
Speaker B:You'll be looking for a way out.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So you build up who you are, and hopefully it resonates and you can, you know, be able to enjoy whatever it is.
Speaker B:You benefit from that.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we got to think the minister started the rebuild of the nation, I believe when he was.
Speaker A:Was it 50, something like that.
Speaker A:At an age where we aren't even, like, we're not even at that point where he had to do.
Speaker A:Where he had to do the real work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And even at that point, he was broke.
Speaker A:Yeah, super broke.
Speaker B:Because he did.
Speaker B:He committed to something, Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he put down what he knew wasn't going to serve him.
Speaker A:You're talking about the.
Speaker B:The entertainment industry.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, absolutely.
Speaker A:I thought you were also talking about the.
Speaker A:The fact that he didn't exactly go with the trajectory the nation took in after the messenger departed.
Speaker B:I mean, he put down everything that he put it.
Speaker A:No, he put it down.
Speaker A:He put it down.
Speaker B:He's like, this ain't the way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he was willing to be broken, and he also had a wife by his side that was willing to be with him while he was broke.
Speaker B:I mean, imagine that.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:It's an essential piece.
Speaker A:If you're doing, if you're doing this type of work, like the, the second half of God has to.
Speaker A:You got to have support.
Speaker B:You need support.
Speaker A:You need support.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and I think, you know, I've.
Speaker A:Allah's had to, like, made me fall on my face and just really realize, okay, bro, like, you got to be realistic with your situation.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:You're raising three children by yourself, you know, you also mentioned on this podcast with Amin that the second half is necessary.
Speaker A:So with that, you got to be realistic with what you can do.
Speaker A:Not shoot yourself.
Speaker A:No, not.
Speaker A:Not try to undercut yourself.
Speaker A:Just be realistic.
Speaker A:But like you said, work on building the self to facilitate those resources that you are going to need to do what it is that you think you want to do.
Speaker B:Yeah, you gotta kill me and get good at good.
Speaker B:Get good at explaining who you are, I imagine.
Speaker B:Yeah, the communication is an essential part of having somebody on your side.
Speaker B:That's the, that's great support.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, if you can communicate the vision, they can, you know, help you in that they can duplicate you when you're not there.
Speaker B:And that's essential too, to be able.
Speaker A:To duplicate what you stand by.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:All like, no, nobody's like every.
Speaker B:Everybody's like multifaceted.
Speaker B:We have different parts of life.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, you have your home life, you got your work life, you got your, you know, now we got the social media like, you need help with.
Speaker B:Because you can't be in all places at one time.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:So you need a support system.
Speaker B:You have teams, you need people.
Speaker A:System.
Speaker A:Yeah, system.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:You said it.
Speaker B:And in order to like have a system that works the way you want it to work, you have to be able to communicate the vision.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, and I think a lot of us have issues communicating the vision.
Speaker B:A lot of us have issues even understanding the vision fully.
Speaker B:No, we don't have time to think it through because we got so much life happening.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Or we just.
Speaker A:We don't communicate the vision.
Speaker A:But I'm going to go back to what you said earlier about the self and not I not having that identity that's able to communicate that vision because you're.
Speaker A:You don't really have a clear self conception of who you are.
Speaker A:And so you're just out here doing things, thinking that that is who you are, just without having done the work of who am I really and how are my actions and Habits going to reflect my identity.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker B:And that's the beautiful thing about this podcast.
Speaker B:Allows us to get that out and clear up that confusion.
Speaker B:You know, it crystallizes the vision.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it also, it's a.
Speaker A:It points a mirror at us.
Speaker A:That's what I'm looking at right now.
Speaker A:It's like, I love it because I can look at myself objectively.
Speaker A:And a lot gives us this.
Speaker A:This platform where we could just.
Speaker A:Okay, y' all are talking.
Speaker A:All this black man is God.
Speaker A:Whoopi, Whoopi, Whoop.
Speaker A:But who are you?
Speaker A:And how are.
Speaker A:How are you manifesting that reality?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And is your.
Speaker A:Are your actions in alignment with your word?
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:Do you have the integrity to withstand what it is that you want to bring in?
Speaker B:That's the four agreements.
Speaker B:Be impeccable with your word.
Speaker A:Be impeccable.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's real like having this platform to put it out there, that's a lot of responsibility that we're putting on ourselves.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And integrity is who you are when no one's watching.
Speaker A:So it's like, are we.
Speaker A:Our actions?
Speaker A:Was no one watching?
Speaker A:Are they matching up to this.
Speaker A:This talk we're doing weekly?
Speaker B:I mean, you feel me to a degree.
Speaker B:It's like, you can.
Speaker B:You can.
Speaker B:You can have the vision and start working towards it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And be.
Speaker B:See it so.
Speaker B:So clear in your mind, the final product, that it is a reality for you.
Speaker B:Just not yet.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So we're all a work in progress.
Speaker B:None of us have have reached that level of perfection.
Speaker B:Like, that doesn't exist.
Speaker B:It's something that you work towards.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, so yeah, we.
Speaker B:We might not be where we want to be, where others think we should be.
Speaker B:That'll mean you stop.
Speaker B:No, I mean, that doesn't help nobody.
Speaker B:It just means you got to keep working.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And, you know, we're working.
Speaker A:I've been, you know, doing deep dive, doing deep work on myself with auditing, but also just being with Allah and praying and studying.
Speaker A:Actually, it's been like, forced me in deep.
Speaker A:It's, you know, Allah is on the path of perfection.
Speaker A:He did not create everything in perfection.
Speaker A:He's been on that path of perfection for 76 trillion years.
Speaker B:Since he started.
Speaker A:Since he started.
Speaker A:We, as individual part and parcels of Allah are on that journey with him.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So we're not immune from these.
Speaker B:He's just got a 76 trillion year head start.
Speaker A:But disagree.
Speaker A:We are that 76.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:That's us.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:That's us.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:I mean, consciously.
Speaker A:Bye for you.
Speaker A:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:We're not 76 trillion years of information.
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker A:But however.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no.
Speaker A:But it's not like the information's out there in the ethos.
Speaker A:It's in us.
Speaker B:No, it is as.
Speaker B:As what you call it, genetic memory, genetic spiritual energy.
Speaker A:No, it's like when we say that we're like, the only reality is Allah.
Speaker A:So I'm not going to just say, like the black.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Allah is the only reality.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that means the knowledge of Allah, reality, the totality of creation, the beginning in lives in all beings that inhabit this material realm.
Speaker A:So that that information is there.
Speaker A:It's there, it's there.
Speaker B:But you only get it if you read the book.
Speaker A:I think it's more than just read the book.
Speaker A:Submit to some system of discipline.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Practice the book.
Speaker A:Practice the book, study the book.
Speaker A:But also, you have to.
Speaker A:You also have to be.
Speaker A:I don't think, you know, dogs can have this conversation.
Speaker A:You know, I think it's.
Speaker B:I don't think dogs can read the book.
Speaker A:I don't think they can.
Speaker A:So as human beings, we have the opportunity.
Speaker A:Being.
Speaker A:Being a human being is the opportunity to actually reflect on the reality of law and your relationship with that.
Speaker A:And if you waste this opportunity, that's on you.
Speaker A:And that's how.
Speaker B:I don't even think it's necessarily a waste.
Speaker B:I think everybody has a different path in this life.
Speaker B:I think some people's path is to just, like, sit back and just enjoy the life and be followers.
Speaker B:And like, no, I feel it.
Speaker B:And then some people's path is like, no, I want to make changes.
Speaker B:I want to make ripples in this world.
Speaker B:I want to leave a mark.
Speaker B:Like, everybody has a different path.
Speaker B:And I don't know, I'm not mad at anybody whose path is that way or this way.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's all God at the end of the day.
Speaker B:And I look at it like, yeah, I look at it like, from the.
Speaker B:From the perspective of the mind of the Creator, the goal is to have every type of experience.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, so if you want to have every type of experience, like somebody who's.
Speaker B:Whose goal is to just be a follower today is having a different experience than somebody who just wanted to be a follower a decade ago.
Speaker B:Every day is a different day.
Speaker B:Like every.
Speaker B:Every lifetime, every, you know, generation is all different.
Speaker B:Everybody experiences.
Speaker B:And if you want to be the Creator, you got to have every experience possible.
Speaker B:For trillions of years, every person that you created.
Speaker A:That's a lot of data.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's a lot of data.
Speaker A:It's also.
Speaker B:That's what separates us.
Speaker A:Isn't that awesome?
Speaker A:Like, that's Allah.
Speaker A:He's the totality of all experience.
Speaker A:Experience ever.
Speaker B:But every experience isn't even the totality of him because think about, he's the totality of all things, not just people.
Speaker A:Okay, Exactly.
Speaker B:He is within and without and he is all encompassing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Stones don't have an experience, but they have Allah.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:It's fun.
Speaker A:It's, it's pretty like awesome.
Speaker A:I mean, God is awesome.
Speaker A:We know that.
Speaker A:But I'm actually like, we're viewing him like, wow.
Speaker A:There's actually a being who has the totality of all that experience and is able to live outside objectively and both within it and just be like.
Speaker B:And can at any time decide to be hands on with your life or let you go on autopilot.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And it's to the degree that you submit to his will that he can actually be like, nah, do this.
Speaker A:It's awesome.
Speaker A:It's also scary and terrifying.
Speaker A:But you got to think he is the beneficent, the most merciful, but he's also the most divinely objective.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:At the end of the day, it's.
Speaker B:Like, well, here's the thing.
Speaker B:To the degree that you submit your will, the less terrifying it becomes.
Speaker A:That is true.
Speaker A:No, for real.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker B:It's to the degree that you want to rebel that he becomes a scary thing.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And I'm really glad you said the word rebel because that is what I've been having to contend with is, I.
Speaker B:Mean, all of us.
Speaker B:All of us.
Speaker B:It ain't.
Speaker B:It ain't.
Speaker B:It ain't a you thing.
Speaker B:It's a human being.
Speaker A:He's been like shown in a flat, like a direct like police officer.
Speaker A:The flashlighting right of me, like, okay, oh yeah.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:You're pointing your fingers and you feel away about him, but right here, buddy.
Speaker A:License and registration.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:I've been like, oh man, I'm a beast.
Speaker A:Like, and he's been making me really reflect upon my, you know, my lower self, my beast, my animal, my the, the, the, the one that thinks it doesn't matter if I do it.
Speaker A:No one sees the one that want the lusting, the lower self, the beast.
Speaker A:It's like it is manifested as like a wolf, as a beast.
Speaker A:Because animals, no disrespect to animals, but they don't have.
Speaker A:They, they, they operate on instinct.
Speaker A:I want.
Speaker A:I'm going to do what I can to get.
Speaker B:And that exists.
Speaker B:That's in all of us.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:It's a real part of us.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So and, and trying to eliminate it is exceeding the limits.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:You have to try to master it.
Speaker A:That's the word.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:I was gonna.
Speaker A:I wasn't gonna.
Speaker A:I was gonna say tame master.
Speaker A:Is it?
Speaker A:And the beautiful thing about being in the nation is like, we follow a master, Allah, master Fr.
Speaker A:Muhammad, but then we also follow the students that came up under him, those masters as well.
Speaker B:I laugh because, like, to a non Muslim, when you hear Master Farah Muhammad, they go.
Speaker B:They automatically go to like slave master.
Speaker B:And yeah, why are y' all calling him your master?
Speaker B:But it's like, it's because he mastered a certain level of understanding.
Speaker B:We could all be that lucky to master a certain level of understanding.
Speaker A:Master, one could argue, is mastering it right now.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:Funny, I'm glad you said I'm wearing.
Speaker A:I wear this master's hat because it reminds me of Master.
Speaker B:For I love what makes him the Supreme Being at this time is that he's mastered more than anybody else on the planet.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:Is still mastering.
Speaker B:Because there's infinite amounts of information.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, every experience, the conversation that we're having in the works, we haven't even said yes.
Speaker B:Is part of the experience.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So there's infinite amounts of experiences.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But mastered it to the degree that nobody else is in competition with them.
Speaker B:Supreme Being.
Speaker A:Supreme Being.
Speaker A:So, okay, I'm actually.
Speaker A:When you said that, I'm seeing like, okay.
Speaker A:Universe is constantly expanding.
Speaker B:Constantly.
Speaker A:He has to stay ahead.
Speaker A:That's how he's supreme.
Speaker A:And it's his knowledge that allows him to stay ahead.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:And that.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
Speaker A:So you think he can't.
Speaker A:I would imagine if you're in that position, can't really rest on your lawyers.
Speaker A:You have to keep on expanding.
Speaker B:Download.
Speaker B:Rest.
Speaker B:Download.
Speaker A:Rest.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And you have to have a system in place.
Speaker A:And I view the quote unquote, gods is the administrator of that system.
Speaker A:And all those.
Speaker A:All the gods are.
Speaker A:Are the beings in the universe who have submitted their will to the will of Allah.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:They have become Allah.
Speaker B:They have become his hand, his leg, his toe, pinky toe.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like they've become essentially useful to him in a capacity.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, they have not, you know, they don't embody who he is.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:But he Embodies who they are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's funny because one could hear what we're talking about and they could call that polytheism.
Speaker A:But it's not polytheism.
Speaker B:It's Islam to the degree that you understand.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Because not everybody's capable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And people get offended when you say that there's gods, that we're God.
Speaker A:We're all gods.
Speaker A:People get.
Speaker A:They don't like that.
Speaker A:Like, oh, no, God is God.
Speaker A:And there's a part of me that.
Speaker A:That respects that respect for Allah.
Speaker A:You know, I respect that position.
Speaker A:But I'm also like, we didn't create this language.
Speaker B:We didn't use it.
Speaker A:That's very true.
Speaker B:And the definition of the word is being used correctly.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, we're not talking about the supreme being.
Speaker B:There's only one supreme being.
Speaker B:There's only one creator of the heavens and the earth.
Speaker B:But a God is someone who has the force and power to control a thing.
Speaker B:We're the gods of this thing.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, I'm not your God.
Speaker B:You're not my God.
Speaker B:I am my God.
Speaker B:You are your God, but we are not our creators.
Speaker B:We are not.
Speaker B:We not to prepare.
Speaker B:Pray to ourselves.
Speaker B:We pray to the creator of the heavens and the earth.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker B:Who.
Speaker B:Who allows our molecules to hold in place.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:So God is force, power and decision.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Goal.
Speaker A:Yeah, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Action.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Decision.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So you have to have the.
Speaker A:To embody that.
Speaker A:And that brings me back to the identity thing, you know, is if, you.
Speaker B:Know, I think decision is a little bit of a stretch because it could also be force and power, could also be restraint.
Speaker B:I think force and power is the perfect definition.
Speaker A:Force and power.
Speaker B:I mean, because the.
Speaker B:The ability to decide or not decide, the ability to.
Speaker B:To act or not act is also force and power.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker A:No, no, no, that's good.
Speaker B:I want to hear what you were going to say.
Speaker A:No, just about the Doing the self work to have that identity through which your actions flow.
Speaker A:You know, that's the, that's the necessary work.
Speaker A:Because otherwise you're just doing.
Speaker A:And we've seen it in our lives and others, just chaotic activity because you don't know who you are.
Speaker A:So you're just doing things and that you could be doing things with the objective like, oh, I want to be rich or I want X, Y and Z. I want a material thing.
Speaker A:I want to think.
Speaker A:But you're doing all these activities without knowing.
Speaker A:Without knowing who it is you want to be.
Speaker A:And I think that's necessary too, to do stuff.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, obviously, obviously you got to do stuff.
Speaker A:You can't not do stuff.
Speaker B:Stagnation is death.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So you need motion.
Speaker A:No motion is necessary.
Speaker A:And then motion without order is what?
Speaker B:Chaos.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:So I'm saying that the solution to that is not to have.
Speaker A:No motion is, is to have motion.
Speaker A:But first under.
Speaker A:Do the work to understand who it is you want to be.
Speaker A:You know, so I want to be a God.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I would argue that's a luxury too, in this world.
Speaker B:I have that time to be able to do that.
Speaker A:It's exactly.
Speaker A:But that's, it's.
Speaker A:If we want to build a better world.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Then we must do this work.
Speaker B:So you got to sacrifice.
Speaker A:Sacrifice, but also you're out.
Speaker B:What's what.
Speaker B:What you can sacrifice.
Speaker B:What's the least valuable thing that you're doing that you can sacrifice in order to do the real work?
Speaker B:That's what allows you to.
Speaker B:To conquer and create this.
Speaker A:This real work.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Who am I?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And luckily we were giving some semblance of not even since we were giving actual facts about who we are.
Speaker A:Who we are is the original man, the maker, the owner, cream of planet, or God of the universe.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So if that is our identity as God, walking, talking instances of Allah, what are we doing day by day that.
Speaker A:That emanates from this identity?
Speaker A:So what question?
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm trying to get like tactical with this stuff because it's one thing to have this knowledge, it's a supreme wisdom, it's another thing to apply it.
Speaker A:And we are in the business of application.
Speaker A:So what sort of questions, if we have taken this on as an identity, God, Allah, part and parcel of Allah.
Speaker A:What questions can we ask ourselves to guide our actions that are alignment with that identity, with this identity?
Speaker B:That's a great question.
Speaker B:I mean, no, for real.
Speaker B:I think that we need to be adding religion to our lives.
Speaker B:But like not, not like the way we use the word religion in our society today.
Speaker B:To me, the word religion is like what you as an individual do on a daily basis is your religion versus, you know, they tell us a religion is like Christianity, Islam or Judaism or Buddhism or.
Speaker B:These are not religions.
Speaker B:A religion is what you do.
Speaker B:Religious leads.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And so adding things to our religion that.
Speaker B:That lead to us being who we say we want to be.
Speaker B:To me, that's, that's how you master self.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:The mastery of self.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:No, yeah, but I'm saying, like, specifically, like, like, like some people, like, they have a routine in their shower, like, the way they shower.
Speaker B:Like, I started with this.
Speaker B:I start with that.
Speaker B:Do that and other things in your life as well, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker B:And then eventually it becomes habit.
Speaker B:It becomes a part of your religion.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:It takes, what, 21 days to create a habit or break one.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's what they say.
Speaker B:So you practice that thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if you mess up, start your 21 days over and.
Speaker B:And get a good habit going.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:But the.
Speaker A:The habit, it sprouts from what?
Speaker A:The identity.
Speaker A:Right, right.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:What you say you want to be.
Speaker A:What you say you want to be.
Speaker A:So I'm going to go back to that.
Speaker A:And I wasn't asking that rhetorical question.
Speaker A:I'm really trying to think of, like, we know our identity.
Speaker A:We were given.
Speaker A:That's the first thing we got in the Nation of Islam.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:What are the things we could ask ourselves day by day to make sure that our actions are in alignment and sprout from that identity?
Speaker A:You know, it's funny.
Speaker A:When I was talking, I realized, what would Jesus do?
Speaker A:But I'm like, am I right or am I wrong?
Speaker B:That's a great question.
Speaker B:What would Jesus do?
Speaker B:What would Jesus do in every situation?
Speaker B:Like, how do you handle this?
Speaker B:What would Jesus.
Speaker A:You see those?
Speaker A:Remember the braces?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Wwjd.
Speaker A:That was like, when I was growing up, that was real.
Speaker A:That was very much.
Speaker A:And I. I didn't think I wrote.
Speaker A:Maybe I never.
Speaker A:Maybe I never rock one.
Speaker A:I kind of regret not walking because that's a real.
Speaker A:That's very powerful.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:What would Jesus do?
Speaker A:Even if, you know, you don't identify as, like, okay, a part of God because you.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Or just a disciple of Jesus.
Speaker A:We're talking to Christians now.
Speaker A:It's like, I think that's a very valid.
Speaker A:If I'm a disciple to Jesus, what would Jesus do?
Speaker A:You know, I think that's a very, very, very tangible way to have an identity that's in alignment with or having.
Speaker A:Doing this.
Speaker A:That's in alignment.
Speaker B:I mean, the whole concept of being a Christian is crystallized in Christ.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You're supposed to be following Christ.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:That's where the term what would Jesus do?
Speaker B:Comes from.
Speaker B:You're walking in that path.
Speaker B:You're trying to be like him.
Speaker B:That's what defines you as a Christian?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, as a Muslim, any good Muslim is a good Christian.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, any good Christian is a good Muslim.
Speaker A:Damn straight.
Speaker B:Same thing.
Speaker A:It's the same thing.
Speaker B:According to God.
Speaker B:They are interchangeable.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, so I like that.
Speaker A:What would Jesus do?
Speaker A:What would the.
Speaker A:What would the messenger do?
Speaker A:What would the minister do?
Speaker A:What would Master Fran.
Speaker A:Muhammad do?
Speaker A:Like, just asking ourselves, all right, okay.
Speaker A:Would they do that?
Speaker A:Would they do that?
Speaker A:They probably.
Speaker A:Probably just know.
Speaker A:They probably just tell the truth.
Speaker A:They'd probably.
Speaker A:They would probably just acknowledge that person and have them.
Speaker A:Let them explore the reality of this physical creation by themselves.
Speaker A:Get them, you know, something like that.
Speaker B:No, yeah, they got it.
Speaker B:They got to step above us as far as, you know, walking on the stairwell towards perfection.
Speaker B:They've got a little bit more of it figured out than us.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So following in their footsteps, you can only go right, you know?
Speaker A:Only go right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And fortunately, we've seen, you know, the Messiah, our miss.
Speaker A:The minister.
Speaker A:Minister Farrakhan.
Speaker A:Like, we've seen his trajectory.
Speaker A:We've seen where he was in the 90s when he was going on talk shows, doing his thing, and we see where he is now, where he's just a completely different being.
Speaker A:Completely different being, but still, like, walking, talking example of God body.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like God and God in action.
Speaker A:And he glows with that.
Speaker B:There's this.
Speaker B:There's this phrase I heard in.
Speaker B:I think it was the book called Conversations with God.
Speaker B:And he talks about ascended masters.
Speaker A:Boom.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's exactly what he is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he's humble.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you will never, ever, ever hear him slack talk anybody.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Especially not another brother.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:He'll.
Speaker A:He'll slack talk sick.
Speaker A:He'll call his.
Speaker A:Will call him out.
Speaker B:But that's not slack talking if it's facts.
Speaker A:But it is, but it's.
Speaker A:But he does it in a way where he's very precise.
Speaker A:It's like, you are Satan because you are doing these specific things.
Speaker A:This is what makes you.
Speaker A:With the master deceiver and wickedness, and your time is up.
Speaker A:So he speaks from authenticity.
Speaker A:Authenticity and truth.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And he has a whole bed of works and he has integrity that can stand on because most.
Speaker A:Most people will give him that as like, hey, man, he's real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He stands on business.
Speaker A:And so he has that reputation and he has the actual work.
Speaker A:So where he.
Speaker A:When he calls someone out, it means something, whether they like it or not.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:So I am.
Speaker B:And most of them that like, that don't like it.
Speaker B:It's because they don't understand.
Speaker B:They suffer from a lack of knowledge.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker B:You know, they see this reality as reality.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's, that's blind.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's blind, deaf and dumb.
Speaker A:Well, yeah.
Speaker A:Deft on blind, lost, found.
Speaker A:That's just what it is.
Speaker A:And then the absence of the truth, Satan fills the vacuum with lies.
Speaker A:And so most people, most people are operating off lies.
Speaker A:So that's just what it is.
Speaker A:That's what we have so long as.
Speaker B:We are in Satan's world and that.
Speaker A:Is what we have to compete with and battle with.
Speaker A:It's just like, okay, we don't have home field advantage in Satan's territory.
Speaker B:In Satan's world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It feels better to go along with Satan's way.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:When you go to jail.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can't just be nice.
Speaker B:You have to adjust when you're in Rome and do as the Romans.
Speaker A:And I feel you.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, and now I feel you.
Speaker B:And, and to the degree that you decide that you're not going to be like Rome or you're not going to be like the Romans, you're not going to be like the rest of the inmates, it's the degree that you will have contention, facts.
Speaker A:No, I'll give you that, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So don't, don't be in this world and say this world is hell and I don't want to be any part of it.
Speaker B:And then expect no, no controversy, nothing to come against you.
Speaker A:To expect hellfire to pull you back.
Speaker A:To pull, like to come on.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker A:And the beautiful part is a lot is like, you know, I never, since I joined the nation, really, I haven't really fell.
Speaker A:I just, I've gone varying degrees of commitment, you know, but Allah has been like, nah, bro, like I'm literally.
Speaker A:You serving me is literally what keeps the flame at bay.
Speaker A:And what, what is it you said this week?
Speaker A:You said something about.
Speaker A:Nothing formed against me shall prosper.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:That's been informed against me.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's submission to his will and service to service to his will being in service him.
Speaker A:That is what allows us the, the protection of no weapon formed against me.
Speaker A:That's not free.
Speaker A:You have to earn that.
Speaker B:No, I look at it, Minister Tony had a great way of explaining it that stuck with me.
Speaker B:He said, you can't have your sin Savings and loan bank account empty Ooh,.
Speaker A:Go on with that.
Speaker B:He said, that's good.
Speaker B:You have to continuously deposit into your sins savings and loans because you're gonna need that one day because we're all gonna mess up.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And you might not need it right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But you can't let the account go empty.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker B:You gotta continue to pay into the account.
Speaker A:You gotta pay into the account.
Speaker A:And I also, you know, I do view us as the minute.
Speaker A:This, this is our ministry, you know.
Speaker B:Well, this is one.
Speaker A:One of them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But it's really.
Speaker A:No, we're calling our people home because we understand that we can't have this wisdom, knowledge and understanding and not do anything with it.
Speaker A:Like, it's, it's unethical to me.
Speaker B:It's like, it's as simple as, like, everybody that you come into contact with should know that you're different than everybody else they've ever met.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And so, like, I try to be as generous as possible.
Speaker B:I try to be as, like, not, I wouldn't say unemotional, because I try to express happiness a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But I don't allow people to make me mad or frustrated and I fall short.
Speaker B:It happens.
Speaker B:But for the most part, that's how I try to be the majority of my life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, so people at work are like, no, he's different.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, the people that.
Speaker B:When I'm.
Speaker B:When I'm having fun, that different.
Speaker B:That guy's different.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, that's real.
Speaker B:When they see you walk up and you opening your door for your wife, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's different.
Speaker B:No, you know.
Speaker A:Know.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker B:They see you.
Speaker B:They see you see a homeless man and we're all walking down the street and you start to give them.
Speaker B:That's different.
Speaker A:Your actions sprout from your identity.
Speaker A:Well, you sound like Jesus.
Speaker B:I mean, I'm walking that path to the best of my ability.
Speaker B:By no stretch of the imagination.
Speaker B:Am I saying that I am him.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Or as good as him or anything like that.
Speaker B:I'm saying that I like that guy.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And I want to be like that guy.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So every step that I take, I'm trying to walk in the footsteps of him.
Speaker B:I miss most of them.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:But as many of them as I can get, I'm a try.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, that's a takeaway is you have to try.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's gotta.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:Better.
Speaker A:A conscious effort.
Speaker B:A conscious effort.
Speaker A:A conscious effort.
Speaker A:And then once you, like you said 21 days to break or make a habit, you do it and that just becomes who you are.
Speaker A:But the identity is the root of all of that.
Speaker A:Who am I?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The original man, the maker, the owner, cream of planet Earth, God of the universe.
Speaker A:Okay, if that is true, how do I walk this?
Speaker A:Planet Earth.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I mean, to the best of your ability.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:When you.
Speaker B:When you see an opportunity to be a good person.
Speaker B:Be a good person.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and then the rest of the opportunities, just work.
Speaker B:Do your best.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And thank you for that.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:A lot has really been, like, showing me, like, okay, yeah, you have that part of you, but you also have the beast part of you.
Speaker A:And then now it's like, he's.
Speaker A:He showed me specifically this week.
Speaker A:There's like, that beast part of you is not like, Tuck.
Speaker A:It's there, bro.
Speaker A:It's there.
Speaker A:Like, contending with the God part of you.
Speaker B:The thing about the beast part, he comes in whenever you're not consciously making the effort to take the steps.
Speaker B:Whenever you.
Speaker B:Whenever you kind of get relaxed and you're not.
Speaker B:You're not one foot, two foot.
Speaker B:One foot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then the devil creeps in.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:He's in the.
Speaker B:The places that you're bored.
Speaker B:That's the devil's playground, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's there waiting for the opportunity to hop on you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And as soon as you allow him to, he will.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Allah's really been.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He's the greatest because he.
Speaker A:He speaks in a way that makes it very, like, real.
Speaker A:Like, he's giving me the.
Speaker A:The blessing of showing me.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, well, you move like that beast.
Speaker A:Your beast is a wolf.
Speaker A:Like, you move, you sit, you slink, you see something, you may not attack it at that point, but you let it sit there.
Speaker A:And then when that time is right, you attack.
Speaker A:But that is not what you need to be attacking.
Speaker B:So imagine if you use that power for good.
Speaker A:That's where I'm going.
Speaker A:And that's where you said the mastery of.
Speaker A:That's where the mastery of self comes in.
Speaker A:Exactly, because that.
Speaker A:What I'm talking about, the beast.
Speaker A:We see it in mj.
Speaker A:We see it in Kobe.
Speaker A:They had that focus, that killer.
Speaker A:That killer, but it was channeled.
Speaker A:Well, there's.
Speaker A:I'm talking about the basketball court.
Speaker A:I can't speak to their lives.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna validate or invalid whatever they did off court.
Speaker A:Basketball killer, channeled mastery.
Speaker A:If that.
Speaker A:That beast.
Speaker B:You ever read that book?
Speaker B:Book by Malcolm Gladwell, where he talks about, like, putting in the 10,000 hours.
Speaker B:No, so the.
Speaker B:The key to mastering anything is about how much repetition you put in.
Speaker B:And he's.
Speaker B:He's got the.
Speaker B:The figure, like science down at, like, 10,000 hours.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He went into, like, MJ practice this amount of hours a day, every day for this amount of years.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And he.
Speaker B:He reached mastery at this age.
Speaker B:Same thing with Kobe.
Speaker B:He, like.
Speaker B:And he has, like, a list of people that he just went through, and he gives you, like.
Speaker B:He talks more about it in detail in their life.
Speaker B:I think it's called Outlier.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:Like, I've read a bunch of his books today.
Speaker B:I get them all mixed up.
Speaker B:But it was basically saying, like, you got to put in time and energy into a thing to master it.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And 10,000 hours is like a magic number.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I've heard that people say that in jiu jitsu.
Speaker A:It's like, you got to put 10,000 hours to maybe get a black belt.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's real.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:But that no matter what it is, we keep saying this system of discipline.
Speaker A:So we'll be getting.
Speaker A:Because we.
Speaker A:We've been talking about.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:It's not the first time we mentioned systems.
Speaker A:Like, we're starting to get to the point where.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:The establishment of systems.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:In order to ascend to the next level, we need to have that I be rooted in that identity and then as.
Speaker A:Establish the systems that support it.
Speaker A:And they're gonna be some systems of a discipline.
Speaker A:Whether we're gonna be at the store every day, you know, whether we're gonna be at the land.
Speaker A:Like, there's going.
Speaker A:That is where we're at right now is like, okay, what is our chosen system of discipline going to be?
Speaker A:And would.
Speaker A:You've been saying this for years now, since we stopped doing the podcast, is There ain't nothing without communication.
Speaker A:That is the key to everything.
Speaker A:That's what started this is communication.
Speaker A:But we can't let that fall to the wayside.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then to the other side, it's like, there's communication and then there's getting our hands dirty and working.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and I think you and I are both realizing each of us have our roles.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And Allah's letting me know.
Speaker A:I was like, bro, Mike, don't get too far behind.
Speaker A:Don't get too far away from a computer spring row.
Speaker A:This is what you do.
Speaker B:It's like that thing I was saying.
Speaker B:Yeah, buckets.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You got to continuously keep your buckets full.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker B:Or at least keep something in your buckets.
Speaker A:You keep something allowing the flow between the buckets.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:You can't have empty buckets.
Speaker A:No, you can't have empty buckets.
Speaker B:No, I mean, empty bucket is something that, you know, you need to move the bucket because you're not going to focus on that.
Speaker B:You need every bucket that.
Speaker B:That has value, value to you, that is important to what you say you want to do.
Speaker B:You need to keep it full.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Keep it, keep it, keep it, Keep pouring into it so they can pour into you.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And you know, this, this year specifically, a lot has been like, you can't.
Speaker A:Your children is not a bucket.
Speaker A:You kill out that duck, it can't go empty.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:That's not on the table.
Speaker B:Not an option.
Speaker A:That's not an option.
Speaker A:Wife, children.
Speaker A:That bucket can't go empty.
Speaker A:It can't.
Speaker A:So what, he's.
Speaker A:He's allowing me, and think Allah, he is to build that system of discipline to where my children's buckets don't go empty.
Speaker A:They haven't been empty, but they've been.
Speaker A:You know, I've been running around, gunning around, falling down with my daughter.
Speaker A:I've gotten close, but Allah's being like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:Children are not sacrificial lambs.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:No, we're not doing that.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But even.
Speaker B:Even falling down with her was a demonstration of how much you're doing with her.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:You're not empty.
Speaker B:That bucket's not empty.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:It might need more.
Speaker B:Paying attention to details.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Might need more.
Speaker A:Just taking the time to establish the proper foundation for them to flourish, you know, and that's what.
Speaker A:That's the time I'm on.
Speaker B:That's 100% what time I'm on.
Speaker B:I'm all about separating from what does not serve me right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Figuring out those things and then multiplying into what things do serve me.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, that's.
Speaker B:That's the heaven on earth.
Speaker B:That's the kingdom.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And with that.
Speaker A:So if we are who we say we are with the identity of a God, then that means we have to move, walk our posts in a perfect manner, keeping all the alert, of course, but also realize that people are going to be looking at us how we look at the minister.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we have to be that standard of manhood, discipleship, all of it.
Speaker B:They will only look at us like they look at the minister if we're doing that.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, to the degree that we are his parents, that we are his, you know, following in his footsteps is the degree that, you know, we take on that level of responsibility.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, and to the degree that we fall short is the degree that there is no reason to follow us or look at us or, you know, believe in what we're talking about doing.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:If we're just being of the world and.
Speaker A:Yeah, agreed.
Speaker A:We have to.
Speaker A:We have to move in a way that very clearly shows the, quote, the world that we're not of the world.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We have to stick out.
Speaker B:Minister Farrakhan is already separated.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:We are very much still plugged into the Matrix.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And until we figure out how to unplug ourselves, you know, this is our reality.
Speaker B:But that don't mean we gotta walk like, you know, Mr. Smith.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:But isn't it.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:We see that he's unplugged and he's untouchable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No one can touch him, bro.
Speaker B:He can just fly like.
Speaker B:Like Neo in the Matrix.
Speaker B:Like, he's gone, what you gonna do with that?
Speaker A:And all.
Speaker A:He, he is a human being in a body but he has the faith and the spirit of service and submission.
Speaker A:He reflects the amount of the level of submission.
Speaker B:He's on a level of submission that we can't comprehend.
Speaker A:Not yet.
Speaker A:Not there yet.
Speaker A:No, we're not there yet.
Speaker A:We still.
Speaker A:That beast in us is still like, oh, I want.
Speaker B:But, but, like, if you talk to him, he would say he's not fully.
Speaker A:No, he would not.
Speaker A:He would say.
Speaker B:He said he's doing the best that he can.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:You know, and that's.
Speaker A:I'm striving.
Speaker A:That's what he would say.
Speaker A:Striving, Striving.
Speaker B:That's all you can do.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that means to us that it's.
Speaker A:It's never going to start.
Speaker A:I'm never going to stop.
Speaker A:But it keeps us humble.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think that for.
Speaker B:Why manual says constantly striving and conditioning myself to meet and overcome all obstacles.
Speaker A:And we are in a process and we gotta.
Speaker A:Look, he has been in the process for over 40 years more.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, well, that's when he.
Speaker A:No, yeah, over.
Speaker A:Well over 40 years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Malcolm was in for.
Speaker A:Malcolm was only in for 13.
Speaker A:13 Years.
Speaker A:And he became that yeah, I've been.
Speaker A:I've alive in eight.
Speaker A:Eight years.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:It's a long, long process.
Speaker A:And those who jump out, they jump out because impatience is difficult, is hard.
Speaker B:It's one of the hardest things to do, is be an angel in hell.
Speaker A:Hell's angels.
Speaker B:You're trying to be an angel in hell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what you're trying to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Fire is hot.
Speaker A:It's very.
Speaker A:It's very hot.
Speaker A:And then also you got to deal with.
Speaker A:You're going to have to deal with loss, the loss of potentially children.
Speaker A:The loss.
Speaker A:The thing is, whether it's brother Mustafa, Brother Nuri, Minister Nuri, Supreme Captain Mustafa, We've seen them.
Speaker A:What we've seen.
Speaker A:They've had some losses, like, very serious losses.
Speaker A:And those are, quote, unquote, top soldier.
Speaker A:So that lets me know is that nobody is immune.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:From loss, bro.
Speaker A:No, nobody.
Speaker B:To the degree that you can submit your will and have value, I believe, you know, God can use you and he'll.
Speaker B:He'll keep you around.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To the degree that you don't have purpose and value and you'll just be gone.
Speaker B:You know, if he doesn't waste.
Speaker B:He doesn't waste energy.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:He's very efficient.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's the way I look at it.
Speaker B:I look at it like, you know, if I have to go tomorrow, that's what Allah wanted.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I've fulfilled the purpose that I came here for.
Speaker B:If I'm here for another, you know, two, 300 years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All praise due to Allah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm still working in and adding value.
Speaker A:I'm thinking we're taking this.
Speaker A:It's a pretty, pretty spiritual conversation, you know, not too, not too worldly.
Speaker A:But what does this mean for what we want to build out?
Speaker A:Because we're going to go to land for that programming for what we want.
Speaker A:Young gods, young boys, what do we want to give them so that they're able to accept this identity that we've spoken upon and then do the actions required.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think the most important thing is to teach them the value of finding a purpose.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like understanding that, you know, you have to have certain experiences in life, good and bad, in order to understand what you came here for.
Speaker B:And it's like, yeah, the purpose is already built into you, but until you tap into, like, your purpose, you know, tap into what God wants you to be doing, like, you won't find it.
Speaker B:You have to tap into that.
Speaker B:Like, you have to, like, Seek it.
Speaker B:And the way you seek it is you seek it by finding what you love, you know, what the world needs, and then figuring out how to mesh those two things together.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker A:Meshing what you love and what the world needs.
Speaker A:That's your purpose.
Speaker A:Is that.
Speaker A:Is that the formula for finding your purpose?
Speaker B:I mean, I don't think anybody.
Speaker A:That's pretty good.
Speaker B:I don't think anybody has one specific purpose.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:I think that you could have a new purpose every 10 years and you.
Speaker A:Life.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But what the world needs right now and what you enjoy doing right now, that's your purpose.
Speaker B:Until it isn't.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:No, I think that's.
Speaker A:That's a very.
Speaker A:That's a very simple way of doing it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Like, when I took.
Speaker B:I took my nephews and some of their friends, and we went for a hike on the mountain.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we got, like, halfway up the mountain, and I was explaining to them, like, from here, you can see the world.
Speaker B:You can see, you know, all this area right here.
Speaker B:You see what this area needs, you see what the people here need, and you see what you like to do, and that's matching your purpose.
Speaker B:Now, you could take that lesson and you take it to the world, you know, not here.
Speaker B:This is heaven.
Speaker B:This is peace.
Speaker B:But you take it to the city, and you see what.
Speaker B:What the people in the city need.
Speaker B:But first, find out what you like to do.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because if you don't know what you like to do, there's.
Speaker B:There's an interest.
Speaker B:Infinite amount of things that they need.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But what you like to do is the thing that you will do best and you'll put the most energy into.
Speaker B:And so, you know, they.
Speaker B:They love that lesson that I. I did a little thing where I gave them a bunch of stones.
Speaker B:I told them, you can have as many stones as you want.
Speaker B:Just fill them up.
Speaker B:And I just.
Speaker B:I bought them all backpacks.
Speaker B:By the time we got halfway up, I was like, now think about those stones.
Speaker B:Each one of those stones, those bags are heavy, right?
Speaker B:Like, yeah.
Speaker B:I was like, each one of those stones is a.
Speaker B:Is a bad habit that you picked up.
Speaker B:It might be a, you know, a girlfriend or a couple girlfriends.
Speaker B:It might be a drinking habit, a smoking habit.
Speaker B:But each one of those stones are going to prevent you from taking another step up the mountain, because they're heavy, and they just get heavier the more stones you add.
Speaker B:So the goal is to get to your.
Speaker B:To your vantage point where you can figure out what the world needs with as little stones in your bag as possible.
Speaker B:So, like, yeah, you're gonna have some stones, but you gotta try to figure out how to, you know, how to balance that.
Speaker B:Not have too many stones where you can't make it all the way up.
Speaker B:They were just like.
Speaker B:Some of them start emptying their backpacks right there.
Speaker B:It's like, I don't want no more stones.
Speaker A:Real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm trying to think of a sound bite for like.
Speaker A:Okay, so purpose is merging what it is that you love to do with.
Speaker B:What the world needs.
Speaker A:With what the world needs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's beautiful.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, that's simple.
Speaker A:It's practical.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's something that you could take.
Speaker A:Ask yourself.
Speaker B:And for me, that when I did it, it was just like.
Speaker B:It was just me by myself.
Speaker B:So I had to, like, not only organize everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also make sure everybody got their meals every day.
Speaker B:And also make sure that nobody got hurt or lost or anything like that.
Speaker B:So it was a lot.
Speaker B:I had a great time.
Speaker B:It was just a lot.
Speaker B:But if I did it the way I wanted to do it or the way I would want to do it, I would want to have ceremonies.
Speaker B:I would want to have, like, Native American ceremonies, African ceremonies, Polynesian ceremonies.
Speaker B:Just ceremonies that let us understand that we're not subject to just what it is we understand now so much more.
Speaker B:I want to have a ceremony where we actually dispatch an animal and then show them how to cook that animal so they know how, you know, to be connected to their food source.
Speaker B:They know how they know where food, what it takes to make their plate every day, you know, and then, like, over the course of a week, like, if you ever went to, like, a YMCA camp, you go in thinking, I.
Speaker A:Never did, but they sound really fun based on what you're telling me.
Speaker B:So YMCA camp is nothing like this.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But I would want to merge the concept of a YMCA camp with this rites of passage program that I've created in my head.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And I think that what makes the YMCA camp so fun is that it takes you out of your reality and puts you in this other reality.
Speaker B:And so for a week, when you go to YMCA camp, you're just having fun.
Speaker B:Like, you're just.
Speaker B:You're doing all kinds of archery and swimming and, like, arts and crafts, things that you don't do in the hood.
Speaker B:Like, in the hood is basketball every day.
Speaker B:Like, it's just very, you know, city kid thing.
Speaker B:Out there is an entirely different world.
Speaker B:The air is better, the food tastes better.
Speaker B:You can see the stars.
Speaker B:Like, it's just, it's a magical thing.
Speaker B:I think that if we created a system or we created a program like that to take the children that are mostly city slickers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then they come out here and experience like wildlife, like quiet for the first time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, could be a life changing experience.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, I like, to me, to me, that's how you change the world.
Speaker A:You, you absolutely.
Speaker B:You teach children that is bigger than what they've already experienced.
Speaker B:It's more to it than that.
Speaker B:And you give them a reason to like what to have more experiences so that their purpose becomes bigger.
Speaker B:Like they're, they're what the world needs becomes a bigger thing because they've had more experiences than just whatever, you know, experiences they've had.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm thinking, I'm actually envisioning that.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, we need pet notepads and pens.
Speaker A:Because I'm actually trying to think of.
Speaker A:Okay, we've hit on pretty big topics of identity habits.
Speaker A:Now I'm like, the formula for purpose is.
Speaker A:I'm gonna repeat it again for, for the listeners and also ourselves is merging with which it is you love to do with what the world needs.
Speaker A:I'm thinking identity first, then purpose.
Speaker A:Having an identity then, then deriving a purpose that comes from that identity.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Because you, until you know who you are, how can you figure out what the.
Speaker B:What, what you like to do?
Speaker B:Like what the world will need from you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It's just getting out there and having the experiences so you know who you are.
Speaker B:Like, once you know who you are, you got to solid enough foundation.
Speaker B:Like, I like playing, I like.
Speaker B:You start off, I like playing with things on my hands, like.
Speaker B:And then you like, oh, I like wood.
Speaker B:I like the smell of wood.
Speaker B:I like the way it feels.
Speaker B:You know, I like manipulating wood to make it do something.
Speaker B:Then you figure out what the world needs and what the world needs match with what you like to do is your purpose.
Speaker B:Now you're a carpenter.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And also identities change.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just because you're this today doesn't mean you're going to be it a year from now.
Speaker B:No, I mean, and not only do they change, but they grow, Right?
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So a carpenter today is now a, a manufacturing furniture person.
Speaker B:You know, like you, you start a whole line, a whole.
Speaker B:Like the more you learn about your craft, the more you fine tune it and you hone it.
Speaker B:Like, you don't have to necessarily switch to a whole new path.
Speaker B:You can just elevate that's right.
Speaker A:Cuz I'm thinking we got.
Speaker A:There's identity change, but we also have more than one identity, you know, God, husband, father.
Speaker B:I don't know if I ever told you this, but, like, my mom told me I was gonna be a doctor until I was like, all of my life, really, until I was about 17, 18, she would just continue to tell me that I was going to be a doctor.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And for the full circle moment, right, I had to go to go to school to try to be a doctor, fail miserably before I even started taking any med.
Speaker B:Medical classes, become a culinary artist, which is food.
Speaker B:Because I had already enjoyed art in so many other ways.
Speaker B:But I took on culinary arts only to get to a point where it's like, it's not cooking that I like, it's healing that I like.
Speaker B:And food is a way to heal.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, what we put in our bodies is what helps us grow.
Speaker B:And, you know, Elijah Muhammad said that the.
Speaker B:The medicine cabinet is in the kitchen.
Speaker B:You know, it's.
Speaker B:It's where we do the healing.
Speaker B:And so me now is like, oh, I want to grow food, because that puts me in a better position to heal than cooking food.
Speaker B:You know, if I'm.
Speaker B:If I'm closer to the source of the food, I can make sure that more of it is organic and not sprayed with pesticides.
Speaker B:And, like, I'm still dealing with food.
Speaker B:I'm still getting to that itch of loving food.
Speaker B:But, like, now I get to do it in a way that I'm.
Speaker B:I have more control and it's better.
Speaker A:Mmm.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker B:And that's the.
Speaker B:To me, that's the elevation of finding my purpose and what the world needs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I look at it like the world would always need food.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, in any iteration of.
Speaker B:Of society, in any way that it might break down or build up.
Speaker B:You still need food.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:People gotta eat.
Speaker A:And what makes what we're doing powerful is that we're providing and serving a basic need.
Speaker B:Yeah, a basic need.
Speaker A:Feeding the people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We have.
Speaker A:Like, I, I've.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:When I joined the Nation, I was like, okay, like, we, We.
Speaker A:We got to get to the soil.
Speaker A:We got it.
Speaker A:We got to be doing something.
Speaker A:We have to be able to provide that need, you know, And I view what we're doing right now, this is also spiritual food, you know, giving them, giving our people the spiritual sustenance.
Speaker A:Well, actually, that's what the Nation of Islam does.
Speaker A:We give you the identity.
Speaker A:We remind you of who you are, or we reset.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:It's, it's, it's.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:Take it back to the basics.
Speaker B:What have.
Speaker B:What have we been throughout history?
Speaker B:What are we at our core?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then from there, now you have this ability to rebuild yourself in a way that you resonate with first, man.
Speaker B:The identity that you were given, that's slave.
Speaker A:Property.
Speaker A:Slave.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, you're nobody.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're Negro dead.
Speaker A:You're not.
Speaker A:You're not anything.
Speaker B:It's starting you off with a whole fresh sheet of paper to start drawing.
Speaker A:Your identity, man, even.
Speaker B:Even down to your name.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:You know, that's real.
Speaker A:We're literally reborn.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just like, okay, then I'm 8 years old.
Speaker A:I'm acting.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I'm acting like a pretty.
Speaker B:But it's a baptism.
Speaker A:Only eight years old.
Speaker A:It's funny, but, you know, I'm viewing my journey in the nation as, you know, like a child.
Speaker A:Like, oh, you get this knowledge of who you are, then you want to look at me, daddy.
Speaker A:I'm the king of the world, you know, And I had that attitude when I first joined.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, clearly I could.
Speaker A:I'm God.
Speaker A:I could do whatever I want.
Speaker B:And as somebody.
Speaker B:As somebody born in the Nation of Islam is a very interesting thing that I've come to realize.
Speaker B:Realize, like, people think that because you're born in the Nation of Islam, you, like, you start off with this like, I am God identity, but it's not true.
Speaker B:You start off with the same.
Speaker B:Not the same, but, like, most of the same.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, programming that everybody else has.
Speaker B:It's until you accept it for yourself that you start the journey.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:You're not.
Speaker B:You're not, you know, maker, the owner, cream of the planet Earth, God of the universe from birth, because you were born in it.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:When you accept that and be yourself, you know, once you understand, it's like, oh, nothing else out here works.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is the only thing that actually resonates that I. I click with.
Speaker B:Like, it makes the most amount of sense to me.
Speaker B:That's when you start that journey.
Speaker A:When did you make that leap?
Speaker A:When did you make that choice?
Speaker B:I was 19.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:19.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And I had.
Speaker B:I was 17 when I went off to college.
Speaker B:Went off wild out and just tasted.
Speaker A:It, tasted the world.
Speaker B:And to be honest, once I made that decision, I was still out there in the world.
Speaker B:I was still very much programmed.
Speaker B:I can't even say that I. I fully stepped into.
Speaker B:Not even fully, like, more stepped into really understanding who I am until I was probably, like, 35, 36.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:And it was like, right around the time of the pandemic.
Speaker B:And that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That separation from job and hanging out with my wife and being at home and figuring out what I'm really enjoying about being at home and being to myself, that helped me understand who I am.
Speaker B:And it was like I was just going through the motions.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:More so before I was 19, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, mad about Christmas at 19.
Speaker A:Because you couldn't celebrate Christmas just because it was like.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It's very convoluted, bro.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not very straightforward.
Speaker B:It's not just that I couldn't celebrate it, but, like, 19 years of everybody I know getting wonderful gifts and me getting socks or something from my grandma.
Speaker B:You know, it's like.
Speaker B:It's a lot.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and then coming into Islam for myself, it's like when I.
Speaker B:Around 19 is when I started down this, like, trying to figure out where I fit in with, like, capitalism and, like, stuff.
Speaker A:Understood.
Speaker B:And then, you know, 36, 35 is when I started realizing stuff doesn't matter.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:No, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, money doesn't really matter.
Speaker B:Like, the money will flow if you're in flow.
Speaker B:You know, the money.
Speaker B:When you.
Speaker B:If you're doing the work, the money's gonna come.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You just gotta be doing the work.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And to the degree that you do the work is the degree that you'll see the money, like.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And then to the Greek, to the degree that.
Speaker B:That what work you're doing has value is the degree that your money will have value.
Speaker B:Because if you're out here doing BS or working for somebody else or building their vision, you don't really find your money to be valuable, so you spend it frivolously.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:But if you got purpose and vision for your life, every dollar matters.
Speaker B:Then you're spending your money and investing in yourself.
Speaker B:It's a whole different version.
Speaker A:It's a whole different version.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:Every dime goes to something that has value or adds value to your life.
Speaker B:Even down to doing frivolous things in your life.
Speaker B:You're doing it for a purpose more now.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Like, even when I go out to dinner, I hate going out to dinner.
Speaker B:But even when I go out to dinner, I'm doing it because, you know, my wife likes going out to dinner.
Speaker B:And I'm helping to facilitate a happy relationship with my wife, you know, and so, like, even that, it's a sacrifice to a degree, but it's also like, I'm getting fun out of it.
Speaker B:I'm getting enjoyment out of it.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm adding to who I am and finding my purpose in that, too.
Speaker B:It's all a part of it.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:It has more value when you understand who you are.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And I think without knowing who you are, you can't have all of the fruit that comes from that.
Speaker A:That purpose and the.
Speaker A:The purpose of purpose and the doing this that comes or the things that come that you could have as a result of doing stuff if you don't have it.
Speaker A:So what I'm getting from this is giving.
Speaker A:Giving young boys, young men, the opportunity to discover who they are and develop that.
Speaker B:Not even just young men.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:So I'm having this conversation with the young men on the mountain, and it's the fathers that are coming to me saying, bro, never heard it like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so that's why, to me, it hit instantly, like, no, this program can't be just for children.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:It has to be for the sons and the fathers.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because everybody needs to hear this.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And then the conversations that happened at the campfire that night were just beautiful.
Speaker B:Like, it was just.
Speaker B:I just sat back and I just let them talk, and they were like, having these conversations like, this is beautiful.
Speaker B:This needs to happen.
Speaker A:We got to take them out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you.
Speaker A:You went to the land.
Speaker A:Was it two weeks ago?
Speaker B:Almost two weeks.
Speaker A:Two weeks ago, I went up to the farm jama in Sacramento.
Speaker A:Three days ago, was on Thursday.
Speaker A:Wednesday.
Speaker A:But even just being on the land, not doing anything, just being there, a land that we could say is ours, it.
Speaker A:Completely different mindset, bro.
Speaker A:I wasn't even doing anything.
Speaker A:I was literally there, and I was like, heaven.
Speaker A:Heaven.
Speaker A:I don't have to do anything.
Speaker A:I was talking to Nelson, and I was just like, bro, like, I feel like I'm melting into the earth.
Speaker A:And then me and him both looked at each other, and we're like, oh, it's Earth day.
Speaker A:Happy Earth day.
Speaker A:It was beautiful.
Speaker B:Not just melting into the earth.
Speaker B:It's like I'm sitting out there.
Speaker B:It's like, am I high right now?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like I am the mountain.
Speaker B:I'm on the mountain, but I am the mountain.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm in the mountain.
Speaker A:It's like that, you know, it's different like that.
Speaker A:It's completely different.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:And it makes you.
Speaker A:It completely eradicates things.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The sense of lack.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like this whole 196,000 940,000 square miles, all of it planet Earth, that's ours.
Speaker A:This is our Earth.
Speaker A:The only reason why we're divorced from that knowledge is that we've plugged into Satan's matrix and he tells us that, well, he owns this and blah, blah, blah, and you need money, and it just.
Speaker A:We're stuck in that game.
Speaker A:But being connected to the land gets you out of that, and it reminds you of who you are and what you're entitled to.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What Allah has bestowed upon you.
Speaker A:I was very much reminded of that.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Infinite possibilities.
Speaker A:This is why we do what we do.
Speaker A:So the more people we bring to the land, land that we could say is ours, and then have programming that's in alignment with getting them with their identity and purpose.
Speaker B:No, absolutely.
Speaker A:And you see where I'm going.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, we.
Speaker A:We know what we want to do, but it's like, okay, what are the spec.
Speaker A:We're getting more specific now.
Speaker B:Tangibles.
Speaker A:Tangibles.
Speaker B:Walk away.
Speaker B:Where I've been every day for the last, like, since I got back from the land.
Speaker B:It's like, what can I.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What step can I take to, like, make sure that I'm walking up and not just walking.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:I wanna.
Speaker B:I wanna actual have things done this year so that by the time we're ready to, like, move on to the land, like, we got so much accomplished and so much on there that it's a lot more comfortable for us.
Speaker B:I don't want to get started once we're.
Speaker B:Once we're, you know, at go time.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker A:And I do think.
Speaker A:Not even think I knew what I.
Speaker A:What I know now is us being in the process of mastery itself is only going to help us when we're doing this.
Speaker B:No, absolutely.
Speaker A:Like, that is.
Speaker A:That is a requirement, because we have to be.
Speaker A:We have to be able to give counsel, give game to the people to help them get their own answers and also be humble enough to listen to what they have, what they feel about the process as well.
Speaker A:That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But, yeah, the ma.
Speaker A:The mastery of self is.
Speaker A:Is a.
Speaker A:Is a prerequisite or not even never going to fully master, but beyond the pathway towards mastery.
Speaker B:Mm.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the fruit of that mastery is at least knowing who you are.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Who you are and who you want to be.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And then having habits and actions that sprout from that identity so that you can have the fruit of your labor.
Speaker B:I mean, I look at it like I try to spend 90% of my time in the present, and then like I say, 9% of my time is the past because the past informs my future.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So like I, I, I understand who I am on many levels.
Speaker B:Like the YMCA camp, the, the, you know, the wanting to be a healer, like all of these things will inform the 9% of me that, that, that focuses on the future, you know, and, and builds the stairwell so that I have somewhere to walk.
Speaker A:Yeah, I, I'm just thinking like a counter argument.
Speaker A:Someone could be like, you know what you guys are talking all this identity, just.
Speaker A:Why aren't you working?
Speaker A:Get back to work.
Speaker A:You know, I'm thinking like, I don't.
Speaker B:Have time to worry about them.
Speaker B:I got time to do.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker A:But I'm also trying to think of like, more practical of like, okay, well, how do we, is there a way that we can communicate where we are to someone?
Speaker A:Cuz I, the thing is, when I hear someone that's really about that work, I don't want to get in the way.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You feel me.
Speaker A:Because I, you and I both respect hard work.
Speaker B:So part of it is just keep working.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, when you have tangibles to show, you don't have to start explaining.
Speaker A:No, that's real.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I, you got to keep me.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:You got to keep working.
Speaker A:There's your answer.
Speaker A:You got to keep working.
Speaker A:There's no.
Speaker B:You stopping to argue with them about why you're doing so much talking is now doing too much talking.
Speaker A:No, you guys, you got to keep that work.
Speaker A:And that's one thing that not only does the Nation of Islam give us that identity, it gives us the, the reality of we got to get to work.
Speaker B:I mean, not.
Speaker A:We got to get to work.
Speaker B:Not only does it give you identity, it then tells you the economic blueprint.
Speaker B:There's all these purposes that you can look at as, as blueprints.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Of what you want to do.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Because this is what's necessary.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and it's, you know, we have faith, but we're very much like.
Speaker A:Faith without works is dead.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:You know, at least that's what we're taught, you know, and that, and I will say that is our culture.
Speaker A:So we, it's incumbent upon us as soldiers in the Nation of Islam that we have to embody that we.
Speaker A:We have to always be working.
Speaker B:We got to show improvement.
Speaker A:We gotta be working.
Speaker A:We gotta be working.
Speaker A:We gotta be showing.
Speaker A:Because otherwise it's.
Speaker A:Now, now there's.
Speaker A:You don't have any credit.
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:No, you don't have any credit with people who are working.
Speaker A:Yeah, you know, because people who are working, they're gonna view you and be like, okay, you're talking all this identity and purpose and the black man and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:But what do you wish your.
Speaker A:Where's your.
Speaker A:Where the work's at?
Speaker B:What are you doing in the art of war?
Speaker B:They call them big talkers.
Speaker A:I feel that's real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Big talkers aren't the ones who are fighters.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, they're not actually getting the work done.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, I. I get it.
Speaker B:I. I understand those people who want to criticize and say that we're talkers, but I understand the value of the conversations we're having.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker B:Regardless to whether they have.
Speaker B:Well, they see the value either because.
Speaker A:Or not they guide our work.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:They guide our work and they ensure.
Speaker B:That when we do get to work, it's less chaos.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Less chaos, more order.
Speaker A:And it's more impactful because that's what.
Speaker A:That's one thing I made that agreement with, but myself and also with you is like, we're not.
Speaker A:No, we're not running around willy nilly just doing stuff.
Speaker A:Those days are over.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Intention, identity, purpose, intention, action.
Speaker B:I mean, I want to be so busy that I don't have time to worry about what other people are doing.
Speaker B:You know, if I'm worried about what other people are doing, that means I'm not busy enough.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So you know my goal.
Speaker B:Keep doing the work.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And one thing I've learned this week is I did a lot.
Speaker A:I went to Sacramento.
Speaker A:Politician, went to the farm.
Speaker A:But when I was on that trip and I drove by myself, but I wasn't tired, man.
Speaker A:I was doing.
Speaker A:I felt like a lot.
Speaker B:You're in your purpose, you don't get tired.
Speaker A:I wasn't tired.
Speaker B:I almost get tired when I'm working somebody else's project.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wasn't tired at all.
Speaker A:I was fully enmeshed in my purpose and I was doing what I was supposed to be doing, and everything fit and made sense.
Speaker A:So I'm like, okay, all right, all right.
Speaker A:Allah, thank you.
Speaker A:For this trip, but also what it is.
Speaker A:Okay, I know who I am.
Speaker A:You've told me.
Speaker A:My one, like the macro identity.
Speaker A:I am.
Speaker A:I'm keep saying it.
Speaker A:I am, you know, part and parcel of Allah, the creator, maker, owner, cream planner, God of the universe.
Speaker A:I am of that, and I am that.
Speaker A:That's one.
Speaker A:So with that, what are now the things that I can do to manifest that truth?
Speaker A:You know, and I think being up there reminded me that I'm not doing any of this for money.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm not doing any of this.
Speaker A:I am generally doing this because I want to raise.
Speaker A:To be a part of raising our people out of this condition.
Speaker B:So I look at it like.
Speaker B:Like doing things for money is as silly as believing in the characters of Sesame street are real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, it's like if you start focusing your energy on what Elmo wants you to do.
Speaker B:Elmo doesn't have desire.
Speaker B:He's a puppet.
Speaker B:Like, Elmo is not a real thing.
Speaker B:You're lost, like, there.
Speaker B:But there are people that dedicate their lives to, like, you know, cosplay and, like, you know, just ridiculousness.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's a thing.
Speaker A:I know it's a thing.
Speaker B:It could be real for you.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker B:Make that a reality.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then you'll find out when you're, you know, in your 50s and 60s, that your life has had no purpose, absolutely no direction.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and if that's what you want to do, that's part of the experience.
Speaker B:Everybody got a right to do whatever they want to do.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:It's just not what I want to do in my life.
Speaker A:You and I both.
Speaker A:And I think now that we're.
Speaker A:We're having this conversation and these realizations now, so that when the success and the.
Speaker A:The, well, whatever, the quote unquote, wealth does come, it's like our identity is so strong that it doesn't affect who we are.
Speaker A:We're going to be like the minister,.
Speaker B:You know, I've already planned the next 500 years of my life, so it's like.
Speaker B:Like there is no, like, end game here.
Speaker B:Like, it doesn't stop.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And inshallah, like, if I finish some part of it and it's my time to lay this down, somebody else picks it up.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:I want it to be that valuable that somebody else sees it.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, this needs to come.
Speaker A:Continue.
Speaker B:Let's keep it going.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's where my.
Speaker B:My mind is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I noticed that when there is a tendency, I. I Would say as you, you go on the nation for a while, you reach some level of worldly success.
Speaker A:There's like a game that you play and I see this objectively.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, well, I gotta dial.
Speaker A:I wanna, I.
Speaker A:It's like a balancing app between, like, I gotta chill with the fence so I can have that worldly success.
Speaker A:You know, like the, like, I got to be the.
Speaker A:Can't be so that much of a Muslim.
Speaker A:I got to dial it back a little bit.
Speaker B:With great power comes great responsibility.
Speaker B:So, like, you got to be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:When you're in the devil's world and you reach a modem of modicum of success, you do have to like, you know, dial it back a little bit.
Speaker B:You got to be a little bit more conservative.
Speaker A:I don't think you.
Speaker B:I think about it like this.
Speaker B:Not necessarily.
Speaker A:Is that what the minister does?
Speaker B:Not necessarily in what you believe.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:But in how you communicate it?
Speaker A:No, I feel you.
Speaker B:You got to, you got to think five times before you speak.
Speaker A:Okay, let's apply, let's apply what we said.
Speaker A:Is that something that the minister does?
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm sure he does.
Speaker B:I think his mind is that fast.
Speaker B:And I think that he's, he's.
Speaker A:He doesn't strike me as someone that really like second guesses himself, though.
Speaker B:Everything he says is on point.
Speaker B:He's exactly thought more than five times about it.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:But he did.
Speaker B:And that's because he submit his will so much so long that now it's natural.
Speaker A:I don't think he's thinking five times.
Speaker A:I think it's just who he is.
Speaker B:No, but I'm, I'm saying that with a, with a certain level of submission now, it's just natural for you.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But you do have to get to a point that it becomes natural for you before you get to that.
Speaker B:Like when you're practicing, before you get to the level of Minister Farkhan, then you absolutely gotta, like, work your way up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Be conservative in the beginning.
Speaker B:You gotta think about the things that you say.
Speaker B:So I'm.
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:What I'm essentially saying.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The believers that do that, I'm not mad at them.
Speaker A:No, this is no judgment, because I think we all do that.
Speaker A:We're not the minister.
Speaker A:We all do that, like, kind of just like tuck it, you know, like, okay, I'm not gonna be.
Speaker A:I gotta be Mr. Muhammad.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Super.
Speaker A:Mr. Ham right now might just be Mr. That's.
Speaker B:To me, that's wisdom, you know?
Speaker B:You know, I don't, I don't scream, I'm Muhammad in every room I go in.
Speaker A:That's very true.
Speaker B:You know, Discretion.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If I'm around certain people, I'm aj.
Speaker B:That's just who they know me as, you know, I just.
Speaker B:I. I know where I'm at.
Speaker B:I pay attention to my surroundings.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I do the best that I can.
Speaker B:And it's like, even AJ is like, well, that ain't different.
Speaker B:He's.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:AJ's not like everybody else.
Speaker B:AJ's different.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's the goal, you know, and.
Speaker A:It kind of just sounds like we're saying, walk our posts in a perfect manner, keeping always on the alert as much as you can.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No, do the best that you can.
Speaker A:It's having the level of discretion, diplomacy.
Speaker A:But I don't.
Speaker A:I think we could have all the things without tucking our faith, because the faith is what we believe, you know,.
Speaker B:I'm not disagreeing with you on that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that we have to tuck our faith.
Speaker B:I'm saying.
Speaker B:What am I saying?
Speaker B:I'm saying that, like, our faith is universal.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Our faith is truth.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:So it's like the parts of it that don't necessarily resonate with everyone.
Speaker B:You don't need to push it in their faces.
Speaker B:Just be truthful.
Speaker A:That's very true.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, if I'm talking to a Native American brother.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:We understand who has put us in this position.
Speaker B:So there are things that we can resonate with.
Speaker B:But if I start trying to talk to them about the baby planes and the mother plane, it's a conversation that might confuse them a little.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's a little bit too much.
Speaker A:Too much too fast.
Speaker B:And it's like, do I ever even need to have that conversation with this person?
Speaker A:Good point.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:No, that's real.
Speaker A:Okay, there we go.
Speaker A:Gradients, like, not everyone needs to 100% baby playing conversation all the time.
Speaker A:It's just understanding the room.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And adjusting your.
Speaker A:Adjusting who you are to meet the.
Speaker A:To meet the room.
Speaker B:To me, that's intelligence.
Speaker A:That is intelligence.
Speaker A:That's actually very intelligent.
Speaker A:And it's also.
Speaker A:It has nothing to do with tucking your faith.
Speaker A:You still are who you are, especially if you're rooting that.
Speaker A:Especially if you're rooted in that identity.
Speaker B:Now, now, if that same person asks me what I think about the baby planes.
Speaker B:100%.
Speaker B:Give them all the information.
Speaker A:Give them the game.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's a.
Speaker B:But if it's not appropriate for the situation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What's the Point.
Speaker A:Good point.
Speaker A:There is no point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Keep it to your.
Speaker A:It wasn't.
Speaker A:It wasn't.
Speaker A:There's a time and a place.
Speaker A:There's a time and a place.
Speaker A:And I'm saying this.
Speaker A:I have a point with this, is because people will.
Speaker A:Often.
Speaker A:One of the reasons why, you know, the idea or even the thought of joining the nation is terrifying because they're going to think, oh, I can't join the nation.
Speaker A:My mom is going to.
Speaker A:My team, my.
Speaker A:They're going to fire me.
Speaker A:Work's not going to like it.
Speaker A:We all have those considerations.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:That's why people don't do it, because it's like they may.
Speaker A:The truth may resonate, but they're like, whoa, whoa.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:Like, nah, I can't.
Speaker B:Well, until they become dissatisfied with what is, they have no reason to change.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker B:You know, dissatisfaction brings about change.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:So if you're.
Speaker B:If you're unhappy with the way things are in this world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then you'll try to look for something else.
Speaker A:That's very true.
Speaker B:And if you don't look for anything else, then you're kind of happy where you are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You have no.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's no incentive or.
Speaker A:There's no.
Speaker B:Like Harriet Tubman said, if they knew they were slaves, no facts.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:It's real, you know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To the degree that they don't even understand that they're slaves.
Speaker B:Like, just think about the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The amount of generations of people that they had to get to from being completely free, whether it be in Africa or here in America before Caucasians got here.
Speaker B:To the generation that's like, master feeds me good.
Speaker B:Why would I want to go anywhere?
Speaker B:I got a roof over my head.
Speaker B:I'm not cold at night.
Speaker B:Why would I want to go anywhere?
Speaker B:What.
Speaker B:What are you talking about?
Speaker B:Run away.
Speaker B:Run away where?
Speaker B:And do what?
Speaker B:This is my only reality.
Speaker A:It's real.
Speaker B:That's where people are.
Speaker A:No, Absolutely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Man.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker B:They believe their only purpose is to make sure that massa gets everything he needs.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker B:My purpose is my job right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:That's the world.
Speaker B:And then I'm getting this little bit of money for all this hard work that I'm doing, and then I'm spending all of this money on bills and rent and.
Speaker B:And, you know, food that's actually shortening my lifespan.
Speaker B:And by the time it's done, I don't really have anything left over.
Speaker B:I got a little bit.
Speaker B:And I'm gonna go spend that on something stupid too.
Speaker A:It's real, bro.
Speaker A:That's the reality.
Speaker A:And I'm asking us to know.
Speaker A:Have this conversation with this people, because we're not just.
Speaker A:I don't want to just speak to people that believe what we believe.
Speaker A:But that's not our job.
Speaker A:No, our job is to get those ones.
Speaker A:The ones that are like, okay, y' all are cool, and y', all, like, seem like you're good dudes, but I'm not.
Speaker A:Why would I join the nation?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:Yeah, there's no, Like, I'm.
Speaker A:I got a decent job.
Speaker A:I got children.
Speaker A:Like, there's no.
Speaker A:Doesn't make.
Speaker A:It doesn't make sense.
Speaker A:But I'm.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm letting all of those people know is like all of those considerations that you may or may not have, the, oh, they'll fire me or they're not gonna like me.
Speaker A:Not true.
Speaker A:It's not true.
Speaker B:Or relevant.
Speaker A:Both.
Speaker A:Yeah, there's are just.
Speaker A:Those are just things that you have concocted to prevent you from doing.
Speaker A:Doing something that's uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Now, we're not saying it's going to be easy, but all of these things that you think are going to be on the other side of a big choice like this, they're not there.
Speaker A:They're only there in your mind.
Speaker A:You're gonna find that you'll have no greater glory or no greater accomplishment than making that big choice.
Speaker A:And one thing about life is there comes a point where you got to make big choices.
Speaker A:Whether it's quitting, like doing something big, like you gotta join or join the military.
Speaker A:Something like some.
Speaker B:Some people don't like change.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker B:And I look.
Speaker B:I look at it like.
Speaker B:Is your choice to have whatever experience you want to have?
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, so if you're choosing that you prefer slavery, I'm not gonna argue with you about that.
Speaker B:I'll show you what freedom looks like to the best ability that I have.
Speaker B:But if you lack vision, you might be in your purpose, you know, that might be all for you.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:I just got more for me.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, I. I see more in my.
Speaker B:When I think about my future, I see a lot of things.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it makes me happy.
Speaker B:And so I'll work towards those things.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:If this is what makes you happy, hey, more power to you be happy.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:I'm having this conversation with these people because I know there's a lot of people who we don't even know, but they're just that are fans, but they're afraid to, like, show us that they're fans.
Speaker A:And they.
Speaker A:They maybe want to take step towards it, take steps towards where we are, but are afraid to do it.
Speaker A:I'm telling all them, you don't need to have any fear.
Speaker B:I mean, we taught that we're supposed to fear no one but God, right?
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:Nope.
Speaker A:Like, over here, like, this is.
Speaker A:This is where the journey really begins.
Speaker A:Against, like, you realize, okay, Allah is the greatest, and he has.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:He protects you, and as long as you serve him, you could do.
Speaker A:And it's in alignment with.
Speaker A:With his will, you are safe and protected.
Speaker A:It's getting over to that point and making that quote, unquote, leap of faith.
Speaker B:I mean, heaven, Heaven, your version of heaven can't even be created until you figure out what it is.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Until you understand what it is that would make you, you know, I wouldn't just say happy, but, you know, at peace, content.
Speaker B:Until you figure out what that is, it won't be created.
Speaker B:So you'll continue to be in this cycle that you don't, like.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, so you have to, like, first stop, step back, and take a, you know, a real assessment of yourself.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Is this what you want to be doing, or is this stressing you out and slowly killing you?
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And the vast majority of people, if they did that kind of work, they would realize, oh, this is not it.
Speaker B:This is just, you know, a pacifier.
Speaker B:I'm not getting any sustenance from it.
Speaker A:You're speaking like most people like, this is it.
Speaker A:It's not dramatic.
Speaker A:It's just like, well, this is a pacifier.
Speaker A:I'm here, I'm doing it.
Speaker A:I'm working, but I'm just working to pay bills.
Speaker A:I know there's something like, that's who.
Speaker A:That's who we're talking to right now.
Speaker A:And I'm like, okay, if you're.
Speaker A:If you're here and you're listening to me, just read message to the black man.
Speaker A:Because I'm being real right now.
Speaker A:I'm like, I'm.
Speaker A:I'm My.
Speaker A:My intention with me and you is like, okay, we're gonna talk, but we're actually gonna know.
Speaker A:We're gonna get up.
Speaker A:We're gonna get our people reading messages.
Speaker B:Of black man is literally stepping off the hamster wheel.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:It's like, okay, now we're going somewhere.
Speaker A:Read message of the black man by the most honorable Elijah Muhammad.
Speaker A:That is a lot.
Speaker A:Is the greatest.
Speaker A:Like, when I had my son, it was.
Speaker A:That was like Allah gave me the thought.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Oh, read the book.
Speaker B:You know it's on YouTube now, right?
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, awesome.
Speaker B:I listened to it as an audiobook.
Speaker A:Oh, beautiful.
Speaker B:I love it.
Speaker A:Whose voice is it?
Speaker B:I don't remember, but it's good.
Speaker A:Oh, good.
Speaker A:That's fan.
Speaker A:Okay, well, it's on YouTube, but it's.
Speaker A:Man, it's.
Speaker A:Isn't it crazy?
Speaker A:Like, I grew up a black man my whole life, but then I. I knew about Veshes as a black man, but I never was like, oh, maybe I should check that out.
Speaker A:It was never like, duh, no.
Speaker A:Yeah, it is.
Speaker A:It's crazy that it's right in her face.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker A:It wasn't hidden.
Speaker A:It was just there and like, okay, it's there.
Speaker A:But I never actually thought, okay, maybe I should just check it out until I had my son.
Speaker A:So I'm letting everyone here who is listening who has not read that book do yourself a favor and read Message of the Black Man.
Speaker A:Just read Message of the black Man.
Speaker A:We don't.
Speaker A:We're speaking from our experience.
Speaker A:That book will literally change your life.
Speaker A:It'll change your life no matter.
Speaker A:No matter what color you are.
Speaker B:You got to.
Speaker B:To get into it.
Speaker B:No, it's definitely not.
Speaker B:So I was.
Speaker B:First of all, let me say you got to get into it because it has a different flow from the time period that it was written in.
Speaker B:Like it's written at a different time period.
Speaker B:So it does flow a little different than what we're used to right now.
Speaker B:But once you get into it, it is delicious.
Speaker A:Good word.
Speaker B:Yes, but, but, but it says message to the black man.
Speaker B:But when you understand the context that we don't believe in race, that is a made up social.
Speaker A:Race is not real.
Speaker B:Is the black man is just the original man.
Speaker B:And to the degree that you resonate with the original man versus resonating with the white supremacist mindset or the.
Speaker B:The new man or the I'm not black or anti black concept, to the degree that you resonate with, you know, like the maker, the owner, the cream of the planet Earth, God of the universe, the original man, the black man is you.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You are.
Speaker A:You can't.
Speaker A:You are black.
Speaker A:You are the black man.
Speaker A:You came from the black man.
Speaker B:All of us came from the same original creator.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Every human being on the planet.
Speaker A:That's Right.
Speaker B:So it's not necessarily telling you that this is only for people with black or brown skin.
Speaker B:It's just telling you that this is a book to those people who are of that original kin and kith, like of that original concept or mindset.
Speaker B:It's not about physical, physicality whatsoever.
Speaker A:Not at all.
Speaker B:It's, it's a mindset.
Speaker B:And then once you get into it, it's so.
Speaker B:This is such a beautiful book.
Speaker A:It's, I mean, it's the truth.
Speaker A:It's, it's.
Speaker A:It might be very specific.
Speaker A:It is the key that will unlock the Quran and the Bible and allow you to view them as one cohesive narrative of truth and to understand them, specifically the Bible, because the Bible was intentionally manipulated to, to mislead.
Speaker A:Yeah, to create slaves.
Speaker A:To.
Speaker A:To mislead the mass.
Speaker A:To create slaves.
Speaker A:And no disrespect, once the Bible is understood, it's good.
Speaker A:Oh yeah, and there's still some like, there's other, like, small lines where it's just very blatant Roman Catholic manipulation.
Speaker A:But other than that, the Bible's good, but you have to understand it.
Speaker A:Message.
Speaker A:The black man is the master key that unlocks that understanding through which you can then use the Quran to compare and contrast and see what actually happened.
Speaker A:Because all of the prophets, Moses, Jesus, the prophet Muhammad, they all said the same thing.
Speaker A:Do what God says.
Speaker A:Submit your will to the will of God.
Speaker B:That is the kingdom of heaven.
Speaker A:That is what they all said.
Speaker A:And the reason one came out to the other, because we stop the listening.
Speaker B:I don't think that they ever stopped coming.
Speaker B:I think, I think that there have been messengers throughout history.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, and you know, to the degree that you understand the.
Speaker B:What a messenger is and that God sends a messenger to every people that needs one.
Speaker B:Yeah, they come in every generation.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, they speak the language of the people that need it the most, you know, and so like in Iran, there's a messenger right now, but we don't understand it like that.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, they exist all around us.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They get taken out by the enemy because the enemy's job is to make sure that his world continues.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker B:He's in, he's in contradiction to what the enemy wants.
Speaker A:No, that's real.
Speaker A:We can all be.
Speaker A:We're messengers of Allah right now.
Speaker A:And the beautiful thing about Allah, to.
Speaker B:The degree that we submit our will.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:But the beautiful thing about Allah is that he's not, he's not a supremacist.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:If we're all his experience.
Speaker A:There's not one that's better than the other.
Speaker A:No, it's all that makes us all messengers to the degree that we submit our will.
Speaker B:No, there.
Speaker B:There literally is only those who want to work towards heaven and those who want to work towards hell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And either way, like, when you, when you, when you kill an animal and dispatch it, you have to trim the fat.
Speaker B:Like, that's a part of the experience is like you need yin and yang, you need the opposites.
Speaker B:You need the counterbalance.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, especially if you're looking to like, perfect a thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, you, you have to.
Speaker B:To trim off what doesn't make that thing perfect.
Speaker B:God is in the business of like, perfecting humanity.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, making himself perfect, which is.
Speaker B:We are all a part of him.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:On that journey, as we said earlier.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So I think we're getting to points, like actual takeaways, like having this, this faith, the shared faith that you and I have of who we are.
Speaker A:That identity, the shared identity and shared purpose, at least with the.
Speaker A:In the sense of the purpose of the Nation of Islam, which is to deliver the 30 million more into the Lamb of God.
Speaker A:To deliver God's chosen people, the fallen that us.
Speaker A:That back to usher in the kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker A:So we're shared with that purpose.
Speaker A:But I.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:Okay with.
Speaker A:Yeah, I forgot what's going with that.
Speaker A:I got caught.
Speaker A:I got caught up in like, that, that big, big, like, point.
Speaker B:No, we're having some powerful conversations.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:These are, these are download moments right now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is it time to call it?
Speaker A:It'll be time once I get this off.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:You don't even know.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, I do wanna.
Speaker A:Speaking of identity, I want to get down to, like, I want to be able to in the world when we're doing worldly stuff, working with other people who don't have the same faith, whether it's at the store, whether it's in Sacramento, whether it's in the corporate, in the office building, whatever.
Speaker A:To be able to not just have this faith, but to be able to communicate it at a level that meets the audience.
Speaker A:You know, to be like.
Speaker A:To be able to be comfortably quote, unquote, spiritual, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I think it's just being the clean glass.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think it's not about what we say whatsoever.
Speaker B:I think it's about what we doing.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:How we're doing it, how we're executing.
Speaker B:You know, like, cleanliness is next to Godliness.
Speaker B:That's a part of it.
Speaker B:And so the cleaner we are, the cleaner we work, the more we can be an example.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:At its.
Speaker B:At its core, at its simplest, you know, denominator.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, man, that's how we lead.
Speaker A:And then if the.
Speaker A:If the opportunity presents itself, then we can have that.
Speaker A:We can have conversations.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's all of life.
Speaker B:All of life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like, you know, if you're looking at a specific girl that you're trying to get at, it's about continuing to be the best version of yourself until an opportunity presents itself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and when an opportunity presents itself, you strike while the iron is.
Speaker A:Hot, you know, that's right.
Speaker B:That's, you know, the same thing in business, you know, same thing in investing.
Speaker B:Just keep doing the work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And when an opportunity presents itself for you to show who you are, you showcase who you are.
Speaker A:Boom, there it is.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just be who.
Speaker A:Be who you are.
Speaker A:Be your.
Speaker A:Be that identity.
Speaker A:Be and do the things that come from that identity.
Speaker A:And if you practice the habits that come with that identity, it's not even.
Speaker A:You won't even have to think about it.
Speaker A:It's not going to be like, oh, I have to put on a performance to be who I am now.
Speaker A:It's just going to be who you are.
Speaker B:And it's the little things.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like, you.
Speaker B:You lighten the burden for another.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, man, thank you.
Speaker B:It's a blessing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And you're the one who gave the blessing.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:No, that's it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I think giving me your.
Speaker A:Our existence should be a blessing to others.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Huh.
Speaker B:Pretty simple when you think about it.
Speaker A:That is very simple.
Speaker A:And I'm.
Speaker A:It's making me reflect, like, okay, am I. I'm looking at all the people I'm around.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Am I a blessing or a burden?
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's making me like, okay, that's the.
Speaker B:Same thing as the sin.
Speaker B:Savings is, like, alone.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker B:Same thing as the buckets, you know,.
Speaker A:Am I a blessing or a burden?
Speaker A:And I think, there we go.
Speaker A:That's a very good takeaway from, like, because what we asked earlier, what are the things that we get to ask ourselves to make sure, like, that what we're doing is in alignment with this identity?
Speaker A:I think that's.
Speaker A:That's a very good one.
Speaker A:That's a.
Speaker A:Am I a blessing?
Speaker A:Or a burden.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:And if I'm a burden, is it.
Speaker A:Gotta be objective.
Speaker A:Is it.
Speaker A:Is it because I'm doing something wrong?
Speaker A:Or is it because the audience is not amenable to my identity?
Speaker A:You know, is there.
Speaker A:There are haters.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker B:I kill the haters with kindness.
Speaker A:No, I feel you.
Speaker A:I think, still be.
Speaker A:There's still the way to be a blessing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, even, like at work, it happens.
Speaker B:Like, people don't like you because of A, B, C, D, E. Irrelevant amount of reasons.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You just continue to kill them with kindness.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You continue to be a blessing.
Speaker B:And then it's like, when you're not there, you're missed.
Speaker A:There you go, you know?
Speaker A:No, and I think that that's.
Speaker A:That's what you do, no matter what.
Speaker A:Be a blessing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:No, and kill them with kindness.
Speaker A:It's not even.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're just.
Speaker A:That's how you win.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:That's the Art of War.
Speaker A:All praises due to Allah.
Speaker A:Let's close it out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That was it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I wanted.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:I had the concept of spiritual leadership, and I'm like, what you.
Speaker A:What I got from you is that, like, you don't.
Speaker A:The focus doesn't need to be on what do I need to do to be a spiritual leader.
Speaker A:No, it just needs to be on.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker B:I think we.
Speaker B:We misunderstand what a leader is supposed to be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think in our society, we think of a leader as somebody who barks orders.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Someone in control and telling everybody else what they should be doing.
Speaker B:I hate that type of leadership.
Speaker B:Everybody hates that type of leadership.
Speaker A:No one likes that.
Speaker B:The type of leadership people like is this person is doing this thing perfectly, magnificently.
Speaker B:I want to be in alignment with that.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:That's the kind of leadership that the world needs.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker B:We don't have that kind of leadership right now.
Speaker B:The world needs that.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:The only.
Speaker B:Only one that's doing that is Mr. Farrakhan.
Speaker B:They're suppressing everything they can about him so that you never know.
Speaker A:Well, they're not suppressing him.
Speaker A:They're suppressing about all the information about him.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And manipulating.
Speaker B:If you're looking for him, you can find him, but who knows to look for him?
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:You know that's true.
Speaker B:But the kind of leaders that we have are the big talkers.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And they're the ones that's barking orders and telling everybody what they should be doing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nobody likes that.
Speaker A:No one likes that.
Speaker A:And the best.
Speaker A:Okay, no, the best leaders I've seen are the ones that are in the trenches doing the work, that are.
Speaker A:They're not afraid to do any level of the work required to get the job done.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, especially.
Speaker A:Especially the dirty work.
Speaker B:Especially the work that nobody else wants to do.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:When they're doing it and not complaining, if, like, when you see that and they inspire.
Speaker B:Inspire you, it's like, okay, I gotta lessen their burden.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:I gotta make it easier on them.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:When you see a leader that's willing to do the dirty work.
Speaker A:No, that's.
Speaker A:That's when you're willing to get behind.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You got to be willing to do the dirty work.
Speaker A:No, I mean, you must be willing to do it and have no qualms.
Speaker B:About it at all, especially if you want to call yourself a leader.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this is a humbling.
Speaker A:The humbling, humbling revelation because we also get caught up in the ego of like, well, I want to be a leader.
Speaker A:I have to sit on this pedestal and I gotta.
Speaker B:But like you said, that's the negative wolf.
Speaker A:No, that.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker A:And I think even, like, no.
Speaker A:When I wrote it down, I was like, oh, okay, no.
Speaker A:Why don't I even think that I have to.
Speaker A:No, I shouldn't have to.
Speaker A:If I'm thinking of being a leader and, like, what I have to do, I've already misstep.
Speaker A:It's like, who would I want to be?
Speaker A:There it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I need to be essential.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:Oh, that's what makes me a leader.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Provide.
Speaker A:You're providing that need.
Speaker B:I missed when I'm not there.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:You're not a burden.
Speaker A:You're a blessing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And this is humbling me because who Allah has told me, like, specifically this year, is like, bro, if you don't get it, if you don't establish that establishment, at least minimally for yourself and your family, you're gonna be a burden.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're gonna be a burden upon others.
Speaker A:You gotta get it together.
Speaker A:And like, that's.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker A:That's why I had to get sat down, you know, Because I'm starting to realize, okay, now, well, you.
Speaker A:Your personal cares that you're trying to keep tucked behind closed doors is now.
Speaker B:It's going to affect others, but getting set down is A beautiful thing.
Speaker B:It's a very good time to be able to reassess because, like, when my mom explained it to me, like, we're not the same person.
Speaker B:We are every 10 years.
Speaker B:Like, we're.
Speaker B:We're a different person than we were, and we just continue to run on autopilot based on the information that we had back then.
Speaker B:When you get sat down, it's like, you get to reassess and be like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:Things have drastically changed since the last time I did this assessment.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's necessary.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker B:It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, this form, this conversations, it allows us to reflect upon.
Speaker A:It's a reflection upon the process, the God process.
Speaker A:Like, it's really.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay, where are we?
Speaker B:And respectfully.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nobody is supposed to understand because most people aren't working towards being God.
Speaker A:No, that's true.
Speaker B:How would they understand that?
Speaker B:They're not working towards being a leader.
Speaker B:They're not working towards having responsibility, ability.
Speaker B:They're not working towards changing the world.
Speaker B:That's ridiculous.
Speaker B:So, like, yeah, we're gonna be doing things that other people are gonna find to be ridiculous.
Speaker B:That's fine.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker B:I'm not looking for validation.
Speaker B:I know what I'm doing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I know what I want to do.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:You know who you are.
Speaker A:Okay, let's close it out, bro.
Speaker B:Let's hit it.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:You got it.
Speaker B:Bismillah Rahman Rahim.
Speaker B:Alhamdulillah Rabilameen Rahman Rahim Malik.
Speaker B:Yao Madin.
Speaker B:We beseech your help and acts your mercy.
Speaker B:We believe in you and trust in you for all that we need.
Speaker B:We are helpers in your cause.
Speaker B:And with your apostle, please grant to us success.
Speaker B:Thank you, Allah.
Speaker B:We cannot thank you enough.
Speaker B:Ameen.
Speaker A:Ameen.
Speaker A:O Allah, thank you for this conversation.
Speaker A:Thank you for these words.
Speaker A:Give us the power to not take these words and these jewels revealed for granted.
Speaker A:Give us the power to be who we say we want to be.
Speaker A:And give us the power to have an identity that's in alignment with your vision and your plan for us.
Speaker A:Guide our thoughts, guide our steps, Guide our spirits as we usher in thy kingdom and serve as if you and you alone, ami.
