Episode 10
EP 113 The Point of No Return
After Truth, there is no unknowing. One must keep going. After the wool is removed from one's eyes, and one is forced to see reality for what it is, one must adapt his life to align with reality, or else face the consequences. This is the point of no return. On the other side, after wickedness, one justifies. Once the justification starts, it's hard turning back to face the weight of what one has done. This is also the point of no return. One extreme leads to Enlightenment, the other, to moral depravity. Join Brother Adam X and Brother Amin Muhammad, as they navigate the choices that lead us down one of these two paths.
Takeaways:
- The episode emphasizes the necessity of recognizing the 'point of no return' in one's personal journey, which signifies a critical juncture where one must commit to change or face dire consequences.
- The speakers highlight the importance of patience and discernment in navigating life's challenges, suggesting that truly understanding oneself and the world requires time and introspection.
- Listeners are encouraged to embrace the idea of 'being like water,' which symbolizes adaptability and resilience in the face of adversity, allowing one to flow around obstacles rather than be hindered by them.
- The discussion touches on the transformative power of knowledge, asserting that enlightenment is a continuous journey that necessitates both study and application of learned principles in daily life.
- Finally, the episode advocates for the cultivation of community and the sharing of resources, emphasizing that collective strength is vital for overcoming societal challenges and achieving lasting change.
Transcript
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Speaker A:Feel good, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I feel.
Speaker A:Had my acupuncture doing a parasite detox.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And I was feeling.
Speaker A:Because when you kill parasites, you feel pretty crummy.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And like, because you're dealing with, you know, living beings dying inside of your body and releasing toxins as they do.
Speaker B:It, but chemical emotions.
Speaker A:Yeah, bro, it was bad.
Speaker A:But then you came and it was like.
Speaker A:We were watching the Oasis video.
Speaker A:We feel amazing now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:So I think that parasites are just fighting their last battles, as in our enemies in the material universe are fighting the last battles and just got to push through it, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, we know.
Speaker A:We're on the winning team.
Speaker B:So I was watching this video earlier.
Speaker B:Brother was talking about we're at the point of no return.
Speaker A:How's up?
Speaker B:Well, he was talking about the.
Speaker B:You know, just all the things that are going on in the world you can't unknow anymore.
Speaker B:Like people.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:People wanted to ignore who their.
Speaker B:Their politicians and celebrities are, and now we know, and people wanted to ignore, you know, how.
Speaker B:How this thing called America is being held up.
Speaker B:But thanks to social media, we get all the dirty details of everything that's going on overseas, everywhere it happens.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So, you know, as.
Speaker B:As human beings, we've reached this age of enlightenment, and there is no going back to the point.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:It's the point of no return.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So on that note, let's open up prayer.
Speaker A:Bismillahirrahmanirrahim Alhamdulillah Rabil Alamin, Arachmanirrahim Malaki Yamidim.
Speaker A:In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the most merciful.
Speaker A:All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds, the beneficent, the most merciful and master of the day of Judgment.
Speaker A:The Thee alone do we serve.
Speaker A:Thee alone do we beseech for divine aid.
Speaker A:Guide us on the right path, the path upon whom thou housest.
Speaker A:O favors not upon whom thy wrath has been brought down nor upon those who go astray.
Speaker A:O Allah, thank you.
Speaker A:Guide this conversation.
Speaker A:Loosen the knot from our tongues.
Speaker A:Have us speak on the topics you would like us to speak upon.
Speaker A:As we usher in the truth and build thy kingdom and touch the hearts of many.
Speaker A:We love and serve you alone.
Speaker A:Amen.
Speaker A:But the.
Speaker A:The point of no return.
Speaker A:I like that, that concept because you get it when you've studied too much and now you can't go back once.
Speaker B:You unplug from the Matrix.
Speaker A:Unplugged.
Speaker B:Like as much as you want to go back in.
Speaker B:Ain't no return from knowing what you know.
Speaker A:No message background right here.
Speaker A:That was my point in return.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that was it.
Speaker A:Message to the black man was the no turning back zone.
Speaker A:And I haven't turned back.
Speaker A:I was, when I read that book, I was like, first of all, I gotta keep reading.
Speaker A:So FYI, everyone, my, my journey was I first read the Holy Quran.
Speaker A:That was when my wife at the time was pregnant with my son.
Speaker A:And then Elijah gave me the light to read the Quran.
Speaker A:I was going to black church in Pasadena.
Speaker A:Shout out to Pasadena first Amy.
Speaker A:It's in the choir too, you know.
Speaker A:So I was being a good black Christian boy.
Speaker A:And then I got the cognition to read the Quran while my wife was pregnant with my son and I did.
Speaker A:And I read it and I was like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker A:And it was like a, like a white translated version, like the Oxford Press.
Speaker A:So it was not even like a real.
Speaker A:Oh was good.
Speaker A:But it was not a real, real, real Quran.
Speaker A:But the fact that I was able to read a.
Speaker A:A safe Quran translated by Caucasians, it.
Speaker B:Was stepped on crack.
Speaker A:Stepped.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was stepped on crack.
Speaker B:But it's still crack.
Speaker A:It was still crack and it did its job effectively.
Speaker A:And it was written very, I guess more just like English prosy.
Speaker A:It was like a very like poetic and like English language sort of way written like a.
Speaker A:Not Shakespearean but very like a white person wrote it, but like a, a white person who's good with English, you know, so it was very.
Speaker A:It was good.
Speaker A:It was like a good book.
Speaker A:Not the same as like the, the Milana Muhammad Ali the one.
Speaker A:And Yusuf Ali versus the Quran is different.
Speaker A:But my point is it was strong enough to be like, whoa, what's going on here?
Speaker A:No wonder they didn't want us reading.
Speaker B:This book all the time.
Speaker B:I thought I had truth.
Speaker A:Yeah, all the time.
Speaker A:Then that book showed me, oh man, I really can't listen to anybody.
Speaker A:I have to.
Speaker A:I Have to go on my own path.
Speaker A:So my dilemma.
Speaker A:I was going to black church because I'm a black man.
Speaker A:And I was a proud black man at that time.
Speaker A:And I was like, okay, Black Christian church.
Speaker A:I read the Holy Quran.
Speaker A:This Quran is true.
Speaker A:But I go to a quote unquote masjid, and it's nothing but Arabs and South Indians.
Speaker A:No disrespect.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I'm like, these are.
Speaker A:These are not my people.
Speaker A:But however, I did like going to the mosque.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker A:Not the nation of Islam.
Speaker A:It was just like a. Yeah, an orthodox mosque.
Speaker A:It's very peaceful.
Speaker A:I'm gonna get twisted.
Speaker A:I remember going there, hitting like a wave of peace.
Speaker A:So no disrespect to orthodox Islam, north respect at all.
Speaker A:But I was like, I really like it here.
Speaker A:I like doing wudu.
Speaker A:Washing my body or washing my.
Speaker A:My hands, arms, mouth, e, ears, face, head before I go pray.
Speaker A:I like the prostration.
Speaker A:I learned all of the.
Speaker A:The movements for prayer at that place, and they were very nice.
Speaker A:And they taught me like this.
Speaker A:The game had, oh, this is how you be a Muslim.
Speaker A:Well, you're here.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:This is what you do.
Speaker A:And I enjoyed it.
Speaker A:But I was like, but my people in church, you feel me?
Speaker A:I'm black man.
Speaker A:Like, there's very few black people here.
Speaker A:The ones that are here, probably African American.
Speaker A:Not my black people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:So I was in a dilemma.
Speaker A:I was like, all right, I like this orthodox mos.
Speaker A:I also, like, I also love my people.
Speaker A:So I kind of went to both of.
Speaker A:At that time, I was still in church choir, so I would go to.
Speaker A:I would go to.
Speaker A:I would still go to church on Sundays.
Speaker A:And during.
Speaker A:During the week, I would ride my bike.
Speaker A:I would bike from where I was working at the time to the mosque and I would pray during the day.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So that was like my.
Speaker A:My between worlds compromised at the time.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, well, I'll get my people to church.
Speaker A:I'm not going to leave my people.
Speaker B:A lot of spirituality.
Speaker A:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:And then I was getting it.
Speaker A:I was getting in.
Speaker A:Get my prayer in it at the mosque.
Speaker A:So I was best of both worlds.
Speaker A:And I think you see where I'm going.
Speaker A:It's like I eventually came home.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So after.
Speaker A:After my son was born.
Speaker A:Oh, Lonnie was born.
Speaker A: I remember, like, December: Speaker A:And came out of nowhere like the Quran did.
Speaker A:That's how Allah works.
Speaker A:You just get messages and you.
Speaker A:You take.
Speaker A:You heed them.
Speaker A:Or you don't heed them.
Speaker A:So I, I.
Speaker A:It was literally just like that.
Speaker A:And I was like, wait, why haven't I read this book?
Speaker B:It's to me.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's literally to me.
Speaker A:This is message the black man.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:I know that Elijah Muhammad created Malcolm X.
Speaker A:And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker A:Why haven't I read this book?
Speaker A:It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker B:It's hidden.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:But it's not.
Speaker A:It's not really hidden, bro.
Speaker B:Hidden in plain sight.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hidden in place.
Speaker A:Sign.
Speaker A:But we all knew about it growing up.
Speaker A:Like you.
Speaker A:I mean, you obviously knew about it, but I.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You people know what mess of the black man is, bro.
Speaker A:It's not like a secret book.
Speaker A:Like, people know.
Speaker A:Oh, that's like the.
Speaker B:But you're talking about the same phenomenon where people know of Minister Farrakhan but haven't sat down and watched all.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker B:It's hidden in plain sight.
Speaker B:It's made taboo.
Speaker B:It's made to feel.
Speaker B:I don't know about that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think that was it just.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Or not even as negatives, like, oh, that's not for me, though.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:Not for me.
Speaker B:I mean, whatever the feeling is, it's a bunch of different messages that are telling you that stay away from.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's dangerous.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Or even if it's not dangerous, it's not.
Speaker B:It's not for me.
Speaker B:Like you said.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's all it was.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But I read the book.
Speaker A:Then I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, what's happening?
Speaker B:Never heard a message.
Speaker B:That was more for me.
Speaker A:Never heard a message.
Speaker A:But then it.
Speaker A:It started clicking.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, that's what Wu Tang was talking about.
Speaker A:Oh, that's who we are.
Speaker A:That's why.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:That's why they hate us.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:That's their job.
Speaker B:That's why my life is so hard.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's not just hard.
Speaker B:It's hard because now I understand.
Speaker A:Now I understand.
Speaker A:And it made.
Speaker A:Literally, it made the entire.
Speaker A:It made reality make sense, bro.
Speaker A:Like, everything.
Speaker A:And Humble's like, okay, all right.
Speaker A:Well, that's a winner.
Speaker A:Then I read that Our savior has arrived.
Speaker A:What was the exact order?
Speaker A:How to Eat to live, Book one and two.
Speaker A:And I started eating one meal a day after I read that book.
Speaker A:That was like, the next step.
Speaker A:Okay, I'll start eating one meal a day, then.
Speaker B:Tangibles.
Speaker B:I love the.
Speaker B:Because it gives you tangibles.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Here, just start with One meal a day.
Speaker A:And I did.
Speaker A:And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker B:It tells you how dramatic, you know, saving your life long term is with one meal every 72 hours.
Speaker B:But it tells you.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Start here.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:I don't gotta jump all the way up.
Speaker B:No, I could do that.
Speaker A:Gradients.
Speaker A:Yeah, Everything's done in gradients.
Speaker A:That's how.
Speaker B:And most men only eat once a day anyway.
Speaker B:They just don't realize it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, only, you know, I wouldn't say most.
Speaker B:A lot of men, they're too busy.
Speaker B:They're working, they're doing stuff.
Speaker B:They get that one meal and they're good.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:It's the world that tries to tell you that you got to have multiple.
Speaker A:So you always have to be grazing and eating.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wake up, eat.
Speaker A:But go to lunch, eat.
Speaker B:But if you think about how this world is ran, we're the farm animals, and they want us to be continually grazing, fattened up for the slaughter.
Speaker A:Farm animals.
Speaker A:At best.
Speaker A:Like, it's really like ants at this point.
Speaker A:It feels like.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, because they use our labor.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:You know, maybe bees.
Speaker B:They use what we produce.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:They vaccinate cows.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Okay, let's go with.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Farm animals.
Speaker A:Land animals.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For real.
Speaker A:They really, like.
Speaker A:They hurt us into places to give us shots.
Speaker A:And it's ironic that, you know, people are starting to see the fauci foolery coming out, but it's just that's.
Speaker A:We are ruled by an elite class of people that literally views us as cattle.
Speaker A:At best.
Speaker A:At best.
Speaker A:And they are not ashamed to call the planet.
Speaker A:To rid the planet of 10, whatever, 10 to 15%.
Speaker A:We're in those times.
Speaker B:I think about it in layers, though, like, because you got, like, the.
Speaker B:The vast majority that are the face of our enemy that we see, and they're the ones who think of us as cows, but then you got the ones that are on top of them pulling the strings that literally know that we're gods.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And they want us to be viewed as their property.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Their goal is to, like, utilize God as a battery.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:To power their machine.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And so they've.
Speaker B:They've spun this narrative that we're useless eaters, when in reality, we're the power of all of it.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker B:And we actually are the ones who decide what's happening.
Speaker B:We're.
Speaker B:Because we got to keep our head down.
Speaker B:And they're just continually grazing.
Speaker B:We're not Making decisions.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:We're just going with what we're told.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker B:It's a very interesting game they're playing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they keep us.
Speaker A:They hell bent on keeping us in the maze in separate mazes so we don't get to talk to each other.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then they.
Speaker A:They're bombarding us with information.
Speaker A:They're in their lies and their information.
Speaker B:Do you remember when podcasts first started coming out and it was just like, all these jokes online about who wants to listen to a bunch of black men talk?
Speaker B:No, I.
Speaker B:To me, it was just like, the most awkward thing because it was like, this was right before, I think I actually started getting on your podcast, which is what made me think it was important to be on here.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I was just like, what do you mean is people can't talk now?
Speaker B:Like, that's.
Speaker B:That's kind of one of the foundational rules of America is freedom of speech.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:And it was like, so the way that y' all are gonna combat that is like.
Speaker B:Like, who wants to listen to a bunch of black men?
Speaker B:Like, and then they.
Speaker B:They started calling us Hoteps and all of these different.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't remember this.
Speaker A:I missed that.
Speaker A:I'm glad I missed it.
Speaker B:Yeah, you don't.
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker B:You don't be on the social media, the ghetto side of it.
Speaker A:Oh, no, no, sir.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:You have fun with that.
Speaker A:I got to.
Speaker B:I got to stay in the mud with the people, so I know who I'm dealing.
Speaker A:Sure, bro.
Speaker A:You can justify that.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:That's where we live.
Speaker A:That's where we at.
Speaker A:I understand, bro.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To me is like, I got to know.
Speaker B:You know, I don't want to call them my enemy, but I look at.
Speaker B:I look at everything is kind of like opposition.
Speaker B:And Sun Tzu says, the more you know your opposition, the more you know your enemy, the better you are to deal with them.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And so, like, even my people.
Speaker B:Not necessarily that they're my enemy, but they're the tasks that I'm.
Speaker B:I'm approaching.
Speaker B:So they're the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The goal is to understand them enough to help them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To guide them.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So in.
Speaker B:In the book the Art of War, Sun Tzu, it is like, you got to be able to use that strategy in different ways.
Speaker B:And it's like, everybody.
Speaker B:Even in.
Speaker B:Even in Sun Tzu, your enemy isn't supposed to be taken over and killed.
Speaker B:Your enemy, your the goal is to win the enemy's territory whole.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:So it's like, how can you do that if you don't even know your people?
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker B:You know, that's right.
Speaker B:That's my philosophy.
Speaker A:No, I feel you.
Speaker B:So, like, I got.
Speaker B:I, I stay.
Speaker B:I don't give it a hundred percent of my attention, but I stay in touch with what's going on.
Speaker A:This is very true.
Speaker A:You know, constantly you are tapped in, sir.
Speaker B:I try to guide, I try to give comments on, on the different crazy posts, you know, you know, the best of my ability.
Speaker B:I give it a couple minutes in the morning, a couple minutes in the evening.
Speaker A:Full throttle, sir.
Speaker A:Full throttle.
Speaker B:That's the job.
Speaker A:Yeah, I understand.
Speaker B:And if we're gonna.
Speaker B:If we're.
Speaker A:I mean, you're built for it too.
Speaker B:If our goal is to go for the worst of them.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:We're talking about helping the ones in prison.
Speaker B:We're talking about helping the ones who are addicted to drugs.
Speaker B:Helping the ones who, you know, need the guidance.
Speaker B:Like, who.
Speaker B:How would you do that if you can't relate?
Speaker B:No, that's right.
Speaker B:Far removed from what they're going through.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:No, I wouldn't say that we should focus on like the, the, the worst off, but it's like we're the only group of people that actually contacts the worst off.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, we're the ones that actually confront that.
Speaker A:There is no other group that is actually going to go to the, the bottom of the bottom condition of the people who are at the bottom and actually try to lift those people and raise those people up from skid row to drugs.
Speaker B:And it's just by understanding them.
Speaker B:Because if you come at them from a position of I'm, I'm better than you, or I'm above you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Instead of, like, I see the God in you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I see your potential already.
Speaker B:Without even having a conversation.
Speaker B:I know that this.
Speaker B:You're better than this.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:You know, you're better than.
Speaker B:It's not.
Speaker B:I'm better than you.
Speaker B:Yeah, you're better than.
Speaker A:You're better in this condition right now.
Speaker A:Absolutely true.
Speaker B:And so like I said to me, it's like, I try my best not to judge my people, not to think about them in what condition they're in now.
Speaker B:I think about what their potential could be, how they could be, you know, participating in this thing called life.
Speaker B:And when we get those at the bottom to participate in this thing, this thing will be better.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, that's right.
Speaker B:When we're, when we're, when they're a part of the conversation, that means we have equality in the world versus somebody on the bottom and somebody on the top.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or someone at the top speaking, pretending to speak for the totality, but you're not even counting the bottom or the middle.
Speaker A:You're just talking about the people at the top.
Speaker A:At the top.
Speaker A:And that's, that's more or less how black politics, politicians have been running things is like, you're only taking care of your own.
Speaker A:You don't really care about the condition and the people.
Speaker A:You care about the vote and you care about the contribution, but you don't actually care about the condition.
Speaker B:The majority, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, that, that's, that's.
Speaker A:Politicians like you, you view as, as cattle, useless eaters.
Speaker A:And people know our power.
Speaker A:And there's like a fear of actually waking it up too much, because if you wake it up too much, then you can't manipulate the.
Speaker A:That mass of people anymore.
Speaker A:And that goes for black, white.
Speaker A:That goes for all people.
Speaker A:There's like this.
Speaker B:He goes for power.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Hidden agreement.
Speaker A:It's like, okay, we know black people have power, but we don't want to, like, give them too much because then we can't control them, which is why.
Speaker B:They get so mad at the Kyrie Irving and the can't.
Speaker B:It's like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:We let you on the inside.
Speaker B:How dare you?
Speaker A:How dare you?
Speaker A:How dare you.
Speaker A:Well, how dare you think for yourself.
Speaker A:How dare you, like, help the bottom.
Speaker A:How dare, how dare.
Speaker A:Dare you.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's very threatening.
Speaker A:So with the, the, you know, the purpose of raising our people, I want to continue with just like.
Speaker A:Because I want to finish the, the trajectory of, you know, what got me in the Nation of Islam.
Speaker A:Because I'm.
Speaker A:Our purpose is always going to be get our people.
Speaker A:So I'm just letting people know, hey, help our people.
Speaker B:Save our people.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Whatever you want to.
Speaker A:But yeah.
Speaker A:So how do you live?
Speaker A:Book one and two, Venus finished that, then I believe it was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Fall of America and then Theology of Time.
Speaker A:And then once I hit Theology of Time, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker B:That explains more than I even knew I had questions for.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That book is insanity.
Speaker A:Insanity.
Speaker A:So I read that.
Speaker A:And if all these books, by the way, are on the OGMFG Inc. YouTube page, the original one, OGMFG TV, got shut down by the friendly folks at YouTube for doing their Job.
Speaker A:They're doing their job.
Speaker A:They shut the page down.
Speaker A:Not the essential podcast, YouTube.
Speaker A:Just the OGMFG TV YouTube, which had lectures from the minister and all of the most honorable Elijah's books, audiobooks.
Speaker B:We can't let none of these black Messiahs rise.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:So they shut that down.
Speaker A:But thankfully, I've.
Speaker A:I've put all the messenger's book back on the OGMFG Inc. YouTube page.
Speaker A:So anyone listening can listen to all those books in totality, so.
Speaker A:Or buy those books.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah, anyway, I just want to close with that.
Speaker A:I read Theology of Time.
Speaker A:I came into.
Speaker A:I came into the boss 27 on a Wednesday night.
Speaker A:First two brothers.
Speaker A:I saw brother.
Speaker A:Brother Mike Shabazz, which is my lieutenant currently, and then Brother Arthur.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're the first two.
Speaker A:And I know, right?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And I knew because everything I.
Speaker A:Before I went to the mosque, I was going to the mosque to make sure.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Is like, I know these books are true.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just gonna see if.
Speaker A:Are y' all with this?
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:Because I came in, like, not militarized, but, like, I'm with who.
Speaker A:I'm with Elijah Muhammad.
Speaker A:This guy's.
Speaker A:This is the truth.
Speaker A:I want to see if y' all are, like, actually with this.
Speaker A:So I came in not, like, on hater time, but just like, are y' all really.
Speaker A:Are y' all down the ride?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What's happening?
Speaker A:Like, just very curious.
Speaker A:And, like, went down to see, and I. I came in, saw Mike Shabazz.
Speaker A:He was very foi.
Speaker A:And I was like, cool.
Speaker A:Saw Brother Arthur, and I just remember seeing as he has black eyes, very black.
Speaker A:Like, black hair, black eyes, black hair.
Speaker A:He looks.
Speaker A:He's like God.
Speaker A:Like, his eyes look like God.
Speaker A:And I'm like.
Speaker A:I remember seeing that just being like, black hair, black eyes, and being like, damn.
Speaker A:Where.
Speaker B:The author looks exactly.
Speaker B:Exactly the same as he did when I was a child.
Speaker B:I was, like, five years old.
Speaker B:The same guy.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Black hair, really black hair, really black eyes.
Speaker A:And I. I saw.
Speaker A:Just honestly, looking in brother off his eyes.
Speaker A:I was like, oh, this is it.
Speaker A:And at this.
Speaker A:At the.
Speaker A:The last mosque, not the community center.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:So I remember there's a picture of the.
Speaker A:Of the minister, and it says, it's about work.
Speaker A:Heaven is not a place to rest.
Speaker A:It's a starting point.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was like, on the.
Speaker A:Like, right when you walk in, it was on that door.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:Those are like, Shabazz, brother.
Speaker A:Brother Arthur, the mint.
Speaker A:The minister in that quote.
Speaker A:And I was like, I'm join.
Speaker A:Easy call.
Speaker A:And back to swing it back.
Speaker A:We're talking about.
Speaker A:It was my point of no return.
Speaker A:And that's when I was like, oh, I. I'm in.
Speaker A:Like, because it's.
Speaker A:What else am I going to do after learning that?
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:If it wasn't that.
Speaker A:The truth, like, getting the truth of who I am, you know, God, and then getting a very clear cut, missing mission to deliver the 30 million or more to the Lamb of God.
Speaker A:The most honorable Elijah Muhammad is Christ.
Speaker B:You don't realize you're in a state of mental slavery until you see a pathway towards freedom.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, that was it.
Speaker B:You know, you think, this is it.
Speaker B:This is what this is.
Speaker B:This is it.
Speaker B:And then you see this thing over here.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, that wasn't nothing.
Speaker B:Yeah, this is it.
Speaker B:And then you find out after learning they ain't even reached it.
Speaker B:Yeah, they're just talking about.
Speaker B:Now we can see it now.
Speaker A:We could see the end zone.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's way over there, but we could see it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if you, like, see the end zone, why would you not try to score?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It doesn't make sense not to score as a man.
Speaker A:It's like a decent human being is like, you gotta.
Speaker A:This is what it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:We got a mission.
Speaker B:And it's so weird because.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker B:White people and Asian people and Mexican people online now, and they're all having the same conversation about seeing freedom now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, everybody's starting to see it.
Speaker B:And that's where I was.
Speaker B:Like, the point of no return.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker A:The point of no return.
Speaker A:So you got the point of return when you realize you.
Speaker A:You rip the scales off your eyes and you see the truth, what it is, and you realize you got to go down this path because that's the path.
Speaker A:That's the path of freedom.
Speaker A:But then there's also another.
Speaker A:The conceptual point of no return is when you've done so much wicked that there's no turning back.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:The other side of, like, you've been Satan so much that you're like, I can't come back from this.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna keep on being.
Speaker A:That's when you go from devil to Satan.
Speaker A:It's like when you just be evil.
Speaker B:Evil, Evil or demon to devil.
Speaker A:Yeah, demon to devil, Devil to demon to devil, devil to saman.
Speaker A:I mean, devil to demon, demon to Satan.
Speaker A:What do you think?
Speaker B:When I think.
Speaker B:When I think about Satan, I think about, like.
Speaker B:Like, we got the creator on this side.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You got.
Speaker B:Satan is on the opposite end of that.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And so I look at, like.
Speaker B:I look at, like, demons are people, like, that have been traumatized and are, like, just.
Speaker B:Just living in their trauma.
Speaker B:Devils are people who have accepted their trauma as like.
Speaker B:Like reality, and they're now creating demons.
Speaker A:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:I can see that Satan is orchestrating all of it.
Speaker B:Satan is a whole nother level, you know, Satan is just like.
Speaker B:Like, even.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:I was thinking about this the other day.
Speaker B:Even, like, Bibi Netanyahu.
Speaker A:Everybody wants Biebs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everybody wants to look at him as the, like, say, worst person in the world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I look at him as just like a slithering, slinking devil who is trying to save his ass.
Speaker B:And, like, he's doing it.
Speaker B:He's doing a bunch of stuff to try to save himself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And to me, I get that from his perspective, like.
Speaker B:Like, yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Why wouldn't you try to save yourself after you've already gone down this road so far?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And sure, he's probably out there creating demons, but he ain't Satan.
Speaker B:To me, Satan is just.
Speaker A:You don't think you're Satan?
Speaker B:Satan is all out, just like.
Speaker B:Like, I understand the full picture of this thing.
Speaker A:You don't think Netanyahu understands the full picture?
Speaker B:Bro, I don't think so.
Speaker B:Satan is out here living in fear.
Speaker B:I think Satan is just like, let's go as hard and as far as we can.
Speaker B:I do believe Netanyahu is a demon.
Speaker B:I mean, he's a devil.
Speaker B:I don't believe he's Satan.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:I'm just saying, like, to me.
Speaker B:Sure, to me.
Speaker B:To me.
Speaker B:If we see their faces, if we know who they are.
Speaker A:Hold on, let me laugh.
Speaker A:I get what you're going.
Speaker B:If we see their faces, if we know who they are, they're being.
Speaker B:Being pimped by.
Speaker A:Fair enough.
Speaker A:Fair enough.
Speaker B:They're not.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're pulling some strings, but they got strings.
Speaker B:Like, that's true.
Speaker B:The amount of pressure that they're under trying to save their life is different than anything.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker A:He doesn't look like he's in fear.
Speaker A:He just looks like Satan.
Speaker A:He looks like, I know what I'm doing.
Speaker B:Because the moment he starts looking like he's in fear, his game is over.
Speaker B:He gotta look like he's in control.
Speaker B:That's part of what his role is.
Speaker B:Like, even Trump got to look like he's in control.
Speaker B:He can't admit that he ever makes a mistake.
Speaker A:He looks more in control than Trump does.
Speaker A:Trump, kind of.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker A:You see the little bit of frantic, like, look in his eyes from time to time.
Speaker A:B.B.
Speaker A:You're just like.
Speaker A:Bibi moves like.
Speaker A:He knows.
Speaker A:He's like, I built the chessboard.
Speaker A:I have all.
Speaker A:I know all the pieces.
Speaker A:I paid for all these pieces.
Speaker A:Like, there's nothing you can do.
Speaker A:I don't get that from BB Would you get fear?
Speaker B:I get.
Speaker B:I get.
Speaker B:I get like, fake confidence.
Speaker B:Oh, no, we got this.
Speaker B:We got it under like a.
Speaker B:Like a preacher.
Speaker B:Like, it's not.
Speaker B:To me.
Speaker B:I don't feel like he's a real boss.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker A:I. I didn't say he was the most high Satan.
Speaker A:I just said he was such as I put him.
Speaker A:I would put him in the Satan bucket.
Speaker B:I put Satan as the most high.
Speaker B:Like, what do we call that if we don't have another name for that?
Speaker B:Satan is high as you go on that level, low as you go.
Speaker A:Okay, we're getting tactical now.
Speaker A:We're talking about Satan being like the supreme being on.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:You see where I'm.
Speaker A:I get what you're saying now.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I. I was viewing.
Speaker A:To be honest, I was viewing Satan as a team.
Speaker A:Team of that are evil.
Speaker B:I believe there.
Speaker B:I believe there is a team.
Speaker B:Those are his devils.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:They could be Satanic, yes.
Speaker B:But they are not Satan.
Speaker B:I think Satan is a.
Speaker B:Is a.
Speaker A:You think it's what you think it's like a.
Speaker A:The supreme Satan.
Speaker A:Hey, man, you think.
Speaker B:Why not?
Speaker A:They're prophesying being.
Speaker B:Why wouldn't we have a.
Speaker B:The oppos.
Speaker B:That's all balance is.
Speaker B:That's how everything in this universe works.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:So you don't think there's a supreme being on the opposite side?
Speaker A:To be honest, I don't think that far.
Speaker A:But I will say when.
Speaker A:When I saw not the last Pope, because I actually.
Speaker A:I thought he was a good man.
Speaker A:Pope Francis, not this current Pope who actually looks like a good human being.
Speaker A:The one before these two, which was Pope.
Speaker A:Pope Palpatine.
Speaker A:He looked like Palpatine Pope.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:You remember.
Speaker A:Do you remember see him?
Speaker B:Maybe.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I want to say his name.
Speaker A:It's like Voldemort.
Speaker A:I don't want to say it, but the.
Speaker B:The most important thing.
Speaker A:My point.
Speaker A:My point is that dude looked like he could be the most, like, he was like, on the top Satan.
Speaker B:I. I know.
Speaker B:I know your human brain wants to be able to like, say, oh, that's him.
Speaker B:Like, that's what the mind wants to do.
Speaker A:Core.
Speaker B:I've already accepted, of course, that if I can see him, he's not.
Speaker B:That ain't him.
Speaker A:He's not the Supreme.
Speaker B:No, you don't get to see, bro.
Speaker B:The most important thing about Palpatine, he had the hood on when he was.
Speaker B:When he was.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:You know that's true.
Speaker A:But he was Supreme.
Speaker A:He was the Supreme Satan in that.
Speaker A:In that world.
Speaker B:Yeah, but you saw him.
Speaker B:You saw him as.
Speaker B:You saw him from behind the scenes.
Speaker B:Because we're watching the movie.
Speaker B:Everybody else didn't see him.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:Well, they saw Prince, whatever.
Speaker B:They saw his minions.
Speaker B:They saw the people he.
Speaker B:That worked for him.
Speaker A:I saw him when he was Senator.
Speaker B:Like, what's his name?
Speaker A:Senator.
Speaker A:Senator Palpatine.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, I'll give it to you like this.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:If Palpatine is Satan.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Bibi Netanyahu, Donald Trump are Darth Vader.
Speaker A:Fair enough.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:No, that's fair.
Speaker A:You know, I'll give you that.
Speaker B:He has to put out this big bad.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:That's bigger and better than anything you can think of to distract you from who he is.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If we're playing the game that there is the Supreme Satan, I.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I don't think Netanyahu is the Supreme.
Speaker B:Laughing at the idea of the Supreme Supreme Satan is like laughing at the idea of Master Fr.
Speaker B:Muhammad to me.
Speaker A:I. I feel it, but, like, it's just.
Speaker A:It's just funny.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't think.
Speaker B:I don't think this universe works with disembodied gods, disembodied evils.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:I think this is a physical universe.
Speaker B:Into every.
Speaker B:Everything out there, there is a physical aspect.
Speaker A:Give me that.
Speaker B:So, like, if we're talking mental, physical, and spiritual, Satan can't just be the embodiment of all these people doing all these things.
Speaker B:He has to be.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:No, I feel you, bro.
Speaker A:You're making really good points.
Speaker B:Somebody that we won't touch, we can't get to.
Speaker B:He's probably, I don't know, the CEO of some company that's just.
Speaker B:Maybe we never know.
Speaker A:You don't know.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:We'll never know.
Speaker A:Crazy.
Speaker A:But just like some random dude.
Speaker B:He's just a random dude.
Speaker B:You can never know his name.
Speaker B:There's no reason for him to be famous.
Speaker B:Why would he ever want to be famous?
Speaker B:Famous sucks.
Speaker A:Does know you don't want to be famous, bro.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So the whole point of this is like we.
Speaker A:The point of no return goes to both.
Speaker A:To both sides of the spectrum of good and evil.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:One side is all off the other side, that is Satan.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So to your point, right, Demons have the ability to come back.
Speaker B:They haven't reached the point of no return.
Speaker B:Devils have reached the point of no return.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:You know, demons, they have to pay for their sins, but it's a wage that they can afford.
Speaker B:I understand in their lifetime, they can make up for what they've done.
Speaker B:Once they start making more demons.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:They've reached the point where there's.
Speaker A:It's hard coming back from that because.
Speaker B:Everything their demon that they made does is also attributed to them.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Those sins multiply.
Speaker B:And how do you make up for something you didn't even do or know?
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:What happened?
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And let's walk through like, this is the specific, like, mental mechanics that go.
Speaker A:When you're on the path towards devil.
Speaker A:It's you.
Speaker B:You justified your wrong.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:That's exactly where I was going.
Speaker A:You do wrong and then instead of like being like, okay, that was messed up, it just.
Speaker A:You justify, like even.
Speaker B:Not even.
Speaker B:Not even getting to the point where it's messed up.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You do wrong and don't know it's wrong.
Speaker B:You do wrong and it's just you thought you was doing right.
Speaker B:Like, Like a, Like a.
Speaker B:A stripper who grew up in a poor home.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:She's.
Speaker B:She's stripping because she.
Speaker B:That's all she knows.
Speaker B:Her mom kicked her out the house at 15, told her to go do that, and she did it.
Speaker B:Okay, she's doing wrong, but she can make up for that.
Speaker A:Understood.
Speaker B:But once she becomes a pimp and she's teaching the next generation to do this.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a different level.
Speaker B:It's a different level because you've justified it.
Speaker B:Like, this is what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I saw how bad it was, how much I hated it.
Speaker B:But it don't matter because this is what it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a different level.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I don't think human beings aren't stupid.
Speaker A:I do believe that.
Speaker A:Even if you're stupid human being.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But I do believe there's conscience in human beings.
Speaker A:And even if you're doing wild and reckless, like, like this is you just talking about right.
Speaker B:There is right from wrong.
Speaker B:Has to be taught.
Speaker A:Okay, I feel.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:You put somebody on an island.
Speaker B:And they'll come up with a whole system of culture that don't make sense to somebody somewhere else.
Speaker B:Morality is an entirely different thing here than it is over here.
Speaker B:And it's based on the cultural norms.
Speaker A:I see.
Speaker A:And also we could just realize, just be very honest.
Speaker A:Like there could be, you know, just different types of people are more inclined to weakness than those just by.
Speaker A:Based on who they are, you know, so we just.
Speaker B:To give you a great example, right.
Speaker B:In America, you talk to a black woman about.
Speaker B:About polygamy.
Speaker B:That's a sin.
Speaker B:That is evil.
Speaker A:Evil, bro.
Speaker B:That is evil.
Speaker A:There's head chopped off.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You go over to a country where it's legal and it's normal.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:And the women can describe to you why it's better.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:So, like, it's a matter of perspective.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is how you see things.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:You know, but then there's a guideline for evil.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:God created this book and it teaches you the guidelines for evil because he understands the cost of everything that happens.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I would argue that in the society that we live in right now, having multiple wives is evil because there's a cost to it that we can't afford to pay.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:But if you live in a society where it's normalized, it's not evil, not a sin.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And I think the reason why Minister Farrakhan says in the Nation of Islam we don't do that is because he understands the ramifications of trying to do that.
Speaker B:No, as a, as a regular person who's gone through all of these issues and trying to do that amongst other people who don't understand that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:You know, that is a recipe for disaster.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, it, it, you know, there's a whole lot that goes along with that.
Speaker A:And it's also a, an opportunity to allow our lower cells to run rampant, you know, so we don't have a check on that.
Speaker A:That's why we're in the nation, to get that.
Speaker A:To get the check on our own inner Satan.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And that's, that's the whole process of getting that.
Speaker A:Getting Satan back in.
Speaker A:Check within self.
Speaker A:So you could actually be a God during this process.
Speaker A:Having multiple wives is not going to allow.
Speaker A:Is not going to keep that Satan on check.
Speaker B:Now there's a lot of things you can do in life that can stagnate your growth.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's one of them at this time.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:So now that we're talking about multiple wives.
Speaker A:I, I do think it's worth saying like there's a reason why he says no, we're not doing that.
Speaker A:And it's mathematically and logically valid for him to say that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's impractical right now.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:As much as, because I've heard the other arguments for it as much as help that it could do, it would do more harm.
Speaker B:And that's what we're all about.
Speaker B:It's not about necessarily, necessarily like us being us making these decisions for what works for us as individuals.
Speaker B:It's about what works for us as a nation.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And also rising above emotions and the thinking of God which means that we make mathematical decisions.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:If it does more harm for us a people than it does good, we're not gonna do that.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:It's very simple.
Speaker A:You could become emotional, be like, oh, but the prophet didn't, blah blah blah.
Speaker A:The messenger had what?
Speaker A:Blah blah, blah, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker A:But do the math.
Speaker A:If is normalizing this practice behavior going to help us in the long term or hurt us more in the long term, as of right now, it's going to hurt us.
Speaker A:Therefore we're not going to do it.
Speaker A:And the beautiful part about being in the Nation of Islam is that when there is a law, that's what it is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Minister Farrakhan says no multiple wives in the Nation of Islam.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker B:Clears up all the confusion.
Speaker A:Don't do it.
Speaker A:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker A:You don't like it, go somewhere else,.
Speaker B:Go over there with it.
Speaker A:And I'm sure that has happened and that's what it is.
Speaker A:But in our house we have our rules and we all must abide by them.
Speaker A:That's what makes our house proper clean and the, the precipice for the kingdom of heaven that is to come.
Speaker B:Indeed.
Speaker A:So the cost of warfare, sir.
Speaker A:So I want to close with.
Speaker A:Not close, but close.
Speaker A:The point about the point of no return is the path of the point of return on the Satan side is justification.
Speaker A:That's where it starts.
Speaker A:You start justifying your actions, justify, justify, justify.
Speaker A:Then you become a devil.
Speaker A:Once you start getting others involved in your whole scheme of lies, chaos and torture, they become demonic minions.
Speaker A:And then now the devil ringling of these demons has a very hard hill to climb to come clean and get right with the Lord and the people he has wronged.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's a very high hill to climb.
Speaker A:Not impossible, but it's, it's very difficult.
Speaker A:So most people will choose crash Out.
Speaker A:I'm gonna go full devil.
Speaker A:I'm gonna just.
Speaker A:I'm gonna destroy as much as possible because my demonic and devilish ways got thwarted.
Speaker A:So I'm going to take as many out as possible with me.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:I'm saying this because I want to let people know that the pathway towards evil, like, it's.
Speaker A:It's riddled with justification.
Speaker A:Justification.
Speaker A:And then agreement with your.
Speaker A:And you.
Speaker A:You find people that agree with your sin and you create d. Like a demonic agreement with those people.
Speaker A:And you guys live in this silo of your own lies and a bubble they created that you created and it makes you demonic.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker B:But the road to hell.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:But all you're doing, you're just traipsing all your devils and your demons down to hell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And people get.
Speaker B:You know, in the.
Speaker B:In the final scheme of it all is going to be a lot of casualties.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:But the process of resurrection is you could rise.
Speaker A:You could rise again.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:And then God will be there waiting.
Speaker A:Waiting for you.
Speaker B:So long as you don't reach the point of no return.
Speaker A:Oh, well.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But I'm saying, even if, like the.
Speaker A:So what I'm saying is, like, we're talking about the point of no return is evil or sinning.
Speaker B:We're talking about demons versus devils.
Speaker A:I understand.
Speaker B:So, like.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's a point that you can always return from.
Speaker B:There's a point.
Speaker B:At some point you've gone too far.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:There's a point.
Speaker B:Okay, let me put it like this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's a point in God's law where the only way to give you justice is to take your life.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You've done so much.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You've reached the point of no return.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker A:And then that's where you're just on the.
Speaker A:You're counting your last days at that point.
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then, even then, you know, I will say it's up till then.
Speaker A:At that point, it's up to Allah what happens to you.
Speaker A:What, will you get another chance?
Speaker A:That's not our job.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:But I do believe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like that what you're saying really is that road leads to death.
Speaker B:But I'm.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm in no way saying that I am the judge of what the point of no return is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm not saying that at all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have no idea.
Speaker B:I'm saying that God is the only one who has that tally sheet.
Speaker A:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, so, like, well, he's the judge.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He determines, okay, this person has reached the point of no return.
Speaker B:And once he's made that determination, it's over.
Speaker B:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And technically, he doesn't even determine that.
Speaker B:You determine it because he gave you free will.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you've reached this place where it's like, now I'm out here creating devils.
Speaker B:I understand fully what I'm doing, and I'm gonna keep doing it.
Speaker B:You've reached a place of no return.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You've signed yourself up to be a part of Satan's world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I will say, you know, the whole Christianity is big on, you know, mercy and redemption.
Speaker A:Like, even there, I will.
Speaker A:There is always a point at which one could just be like, you know what?
Speaker A:I'm gonna pay for my sins and I'm gonna go to the Lord.
Speaker B:That's a part of the Christian lie.
Speaker A:Go on with that.
Speaker B:That's the reason why the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The priests are doing what they're doing to little children, because they can always be absolved of their sins.
Speaker A:You know, I feel you.
Speaker B:If we live according to.
Speaker B:According to that.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's real, bro.
Speaker B:That's some.
Speaker A:Yeah, no.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's not reality.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, that's real.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:Once you've corrupted a child.
Speaker A:Child.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I said that without.
Speaker A:People do really bad things to children.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's no light.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That's Satan.
Speaker A:Okay, now we're.
Speaker A:Okay, It's.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:It's not funny.
Speaker A:But the reality of what is, like, people are now seeing that Satan.
Speaker B:That's not even Satan.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, here's the thing, bro.
Speaker B:Here's the thing.
Speaker A:Oh, we're getting nasty now.
Speaker B:I'm not even.
Speaker B:I'm not going.
Speaker B:We can fathom the depths of the devil.
Speaker B:We cannot fathom the depths of Satan.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You just reminded me with the talking about children.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Then that's.
Speaker A:Now people are actually realizing, oh, they're pedophiles.
Speaker A:But the pedophiles is like the beginning of Satan.
Speaker B:You get what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Epstein was a devil.
Speaker B:He's not Satan.
Speaker A:I feel you, bro.
Speaker B:Cuz Epstein, we can fathom.
Speaker B:It's disgusting.
Speaker B:We don't want to think about it, but we can fathom that.
Speaker B:We can't fathom Satan.
Speaker A:Oh, boy.
Speaker A:Oh, God.
Speaker B:I don't see.
Speaker B:Like, right now what you're doing is you're trying to fathom it.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker A:No, I'm not.
Speaker A:I don't have, bro.
Speaker A:I don't have to fathom it.
Speaker A:All I have to do is just realize that, like, you know, it's unfathomable pedophilia.
Speaker A:It's very much.
Speaker A:It's coming like we here.
Speaker A:I'll be very honest.
Speaker A:I got my.
Speaker A:My cousin who was here this weekend, Rory was.
Speaker A:Is a teacher in the.
Speaker A:The Bay Area, and she was telling me that she's starting to see, like, the.
Speaker A:The trans conversation go to pedophile pedophilia, because she sees children being, like, manipulated into saying they're trans.
Speaker A:And her.
Speaker A:And she's not like, a Republican or anything.
Speaker A:She's pretty, like, Democrat, like, black Democrat.
Speaker A:And she's just like, why are we talking about children this young?
Speaker A:About sex?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You feel me?
Speaker A:And, like, sexuality.
Speaker A:It's weird, objectively, but the weirdo, bro,.
Speaker B:That's what Rome was like.
Speaker A:Oh, you're right.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Two thousand years ago.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker B:This is not new.
Speaker A:No, you're right, bro.
Speaker B:Sodom and Gomorrah.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:I mean, like, by the time we got to Rome, it was a policy that every, like, important man had a husband or, like.
Speaker B:Like a.
Speaker B:A guy that he was.
Speaker B:He was in love with.
Speaker B:He had a wife for procreation, and he had a little boy that he would train.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was normal.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's real, bro.
Speaker B:And then when you see these movies, these old movies about Rome, like, they go into these towns, they kill off all the men, they leave the women and old men stranded, and they capture all the young boys and take them with them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:This is nothing new.
Speaker A:No, it's just like.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker A:It feels like the.
Speaker A:The Satan that runs this world is, like, just trying to.
Speaker A:Okay, let's bring it back.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Now we can make it kind of, like, normalize this again.
Speaker A:Let's do it slowly.
Speaker B:Well, think about this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Rome fell.
Speaker A:It sure did.
Speaker B:Sodom and Gomorrah fell.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:God has been intervening for us for a very long time.
Speaker B:The time we're in now is the time of all of us saying, God, we got it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's going to take all of us to be disappointed enough because only dissatisfaction brings about change.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker B:And so it's.
Speaker B:It's not just a.
Speaker B:It's not just a localized problem in this small part of the world.
Speaker B:This problem has reverberated all over the planet.
Speaker B:Now this problem is big enough that all of us have to handle it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so we're at the, we're in the last days because it's like we're reaching, you know, not even necessarily the depths of Satan, but we're reaching the point that's our breaking point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, we're reaching our point of no return.
Speaker B:We're like, I've had enough.
Speaker A:I've had enough.
Speaker A:No, I've had enough.
Speaker B:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah, we haven't gotten there yet, obviously, because when we get there, we will change.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:We're, I think that we're at the point right now where people are like, in the point of no return statement, people are just feeling like all hope is lost.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because they don't understand that they're the change they want to be.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:They don't understand that they have the power to make those changes in their lives and that when all of us make those changes, this thing stops.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So like, it's, it's, it's a beautiful thing if you kind of already knew it and saw it coming.
Speaker B:Yeah, I, I feel for the people who didn't and don't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, I, to me, it's sweet and sour.
Speaker B:You know, I, I, I'm grateful, I'm happy.
Speaker B:I'm trying not to skip in your face.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And just societally, people are, I, I think people are seeing just the reality.
Speaker A:Gas prices, war they can't control, and food getting expensive jobs not being the way they are.
Speaker B:Like, and we already knew all of this was coming.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And it's here and it's, it's hot,.
Speaker B:It's, and it's getting worse.
Speaker A:It's bad, very bad, very expensive.
Speaker B:So this is just the simmering.
Speaker B:Start boiling yet and it's going to boil over.
Speaker A:It's very real, you know, so, you know, I think, you know, we're speaking about, you know, point of Norton being on, you know, the God side and knowing the truth and then Satan's side, justification to evil.
Speaker A:And then now we're talking about the point of no return as far as it comes to acceptance of a society that's on its way out.
Speaker A:So the question I'm asking ourselves is at which point, I guess what percentage of people does it take to reach that point in overturned aware People are just going to be like, oh no, let's just do something different.
Speaker B:That's a good question.
Speaker B:I don't, I don't think that number exists in our minds.
Speaker B:I think it's just when the general consensus is like, we can survive, humanity can Survive without X amount of people.
Speaker B:Yeah, those people are just gonna die.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:You know, it's like, we gotta reach a number where it's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It can maintain itself after the fact.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And also peep this.
Speaker A:Like, a lot of people are.
Speaker A:Are just married and wedded to the system as it is.
Speaker A:Even though they don't like it and it's hard, they're like, that's all they know.
Speaker A:And I. I've noticed this.
Speaker A:This phenomenon with, you know, the Fauci things coming out, because he plead in the fifth, I think was last week.
Speaker A:And so people are taking that as like, oh, well, clearly he's guilty.
Speaker A:Now, the people who said, don't take the vaccine or just like, oh, we told you so.
Speaker A:But it's not like the people on the other side are convinced.
Speaker A:You get what I'm saying?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So it was not like, because that happened.
Speaker A:People who took the vaccine are like, oh, what have we done?
Speaker A:No, they still think they're right.
Speaker B:A smoking gun doesn't mean that somebody got shot.
Speaker A:No, not at all.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're really just.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They're viewing.
Speaker A:Fauci is like a hero.
Speaker A:Like, yeah, you should plead the fifth.
Speaker A:You were.
Speaker A:You were.
Speaker A:You were right the whole time.
Speaker B:You're being railroaded.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So, like, my point is the.
Speaker A:Those people have not reached the point of no return.
Speaker A:They're just.
Speaker A:They're still justifying the system.
Speaker A:They're justifying Fauci.
Speaker A:Justifying what?
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:To be honest, it's not that hard of a justification.
Speaker A:From their vantage point.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, well, he was just doing the best he can.
Speaker A:He was the nation's highest.
Speaker A:Whatever doctor.
Speaker B:So earlier when you said so many.
Speaker A:People died from COVID and we had to vaccinate, and because we vaccinated, more people didn't die.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:You said people aren't dumb earlier.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker B:We got Google Earth.
Speaker B:We got Google Earth and Maps, and you still got people with a white Jesus.
Speaker A:Very true.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, I did say.
Speaker A:Okay, I take that back.
Speaker A:People are pretty dumb.
Speaker B:Not all people, but it's a lot of dumb people.
Speaker A:A lot of dumb people and willfully ignorant.
Speaker A:And then I'm getting a picture of who Bear.
Speaker A:Is it a camel that buries his head in the sand?
Speaker A:That's a camel, right?
Speaker A:Because the animal.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:I don't think horse do that.
Speaker A:Camels bury their head in the sand.
Speaker B:I've heard that saying.
Speaker A:Before, but you.
Speaker A:I'm getting an image of a camel just being some, you know, tall, having the ability.
Speaker A:You're pretty big.
Speaker A:You could just, you know, lift your head up and see light.
Speaker A:But you're willingly choosing to keep your head in the sand.
Speaker B:I still think, yeah, probably sandstorms or something like that going through the desert when it's a sandstorm.
Speaker A:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So maybe I, I getting that image, thinking about these people is that like, oh, you're just.
Speaker A:At this point, you're.
Speaker A:You're doing a lot of energy to keep your head in the sand and just continue to be.
Speaker B:Is safer.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And you're in a.
Speaker A:You're.
Speaker A:It's safer to be in agreement with what is.
Speaker A:You don't have to do anything besides what you're doing, which is.
Speaker A:I'm not going running around working.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna name no names, but I've been having conversation with this person for years about going forward.
Speaker B:Jobs won't work.
Speaker A:I feel you.
Speaker B:You got to figure out something that's going to work for you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And start figuring out how to build that thing into something that will work.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Because if you want to be able to.
Speaker B:To survive in this next iteration of time, of whatever is going to happen, all jobs are going to be obsolete.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Working for someone else is going to be a thing of the past.
Speaker A:I. I feel that energy right now.
Speaker A:Like, I feel that, like, right now.
Speaker A:I feel that's where we're is.
Speaker A:I. Yeah, that's where we are right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's like between AI and robots, why do you need a person to work for you?
Speaker A:You know, that's real.
Speaker B:They're gonna do everything.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They're doing a lot of work right now.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:They don't need an HR department, accounting, HR coding.
Speaker A:Like, bro, it's so much that they're doing and doing it well and doing it efficiently like that.
Speaker B:Bro, they got.
Speaker B:They got nail technicians that are robots.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:They have cars that are robots.
Speaker B:They're coming up with trucks that are robots.
Speaker B:They got massage therapy machines that are robots.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:You know they've had the chairs for a while.
Speaker B:Huh.
Speaker A:I didn't even know that.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, it's.
Speaker B:It's a thing.
Speaker A:And like, what hasn't been built is the infrastructure for, like, to forget all the people that don't have those jobs anymore.
Speaker A:Like, there's no.
Speaker A:They're, like, they're taking.
Speaker A:Snap away.
Speaker A:There's no, there's no Plan for.
Speaker A:There's no plan.
Speaker B:So come up with a plan for yourself before it's too late.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And then that's the, you know, that's where you.
Speaker A:One must take one's head out of the sand to survive.
Speaker A:Or.
Speaker B:Or suffer the consequences.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker B:Very real consequences.
Speaker A:And one thing, you know, what we have been doing is promoting very high survival activity and just showing, regardless of how you feel about our viewpoints, you see that we're providing a very high survival service, which is food.
Speaker A:We're feeding people, like, we're distributing food.
Speaker B:I think about it like cooking food.
Speaker B:If everyone started growing some kind of food.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Everyone still has to eat.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So everyone still has something that adds value to the system.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:So at the very least, you can start growing your own food.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Because there's no.
Speaker B:There's no limitation on how much people need to eat.
Speaker B:Because we eat every day.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, it.
Speaker B:Like, even if we even started fasting, even if we started doing one meal a day, everybody still has to eat at some point.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So food is not a wasted.
Speaker B:Wasted time and energy.
Speaker B:Like, even if robots start helping us grow food, you can still grow food and make money with that food that you're growing.
Speaker A:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:What just came to my head when you're talking is like your other quote, which you said, the only thing guaranteed in life is work.
Speaker A:So work is something that you do that is productive.
Speaker A:There is nothing more productive than growing your own food.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Period.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And I got another image of, you know, there's like, applying for jobs.
Speaker A:Like, it's just like a.
Speaker A:Like a lottery, you know, because there's so many people who are just, okay, well, I'll apply.
Speaker A:I'll apply.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And everybody's applying for everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because they can.
Speaker A:Because they could use AI to just apply for a million jobs.
Speaker A:So you just got.
Speaker A:It's like you're rolling the dice.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The only thing guaranteed is work you could do with your hands.
Speaker A:You could grow your own food, you could sell your own food.
Speaker A:So I think the takeaway is if you're not thinking of how you're going to survive in this new age, then perhaps you can reconsider and start thinking about where.
Speaker A:What do you need to do to survive and what's happening and what's coming.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because learn a craft that allows you to build something.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Allows you to grow something.
Speaker B:Allows you to create something.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And we'll speak to our people because Specifically, we're still up.
Speaker A:This is still the Roman Empire.
Speaker A:This is like Rome 2, 3.0, whatever, with AI.
Speaker A:Romans are going to take care of Romans first, for sure.
Speaker A:Period.
Speaker A:And then they have.
Speaker A:White people have shown you that.
Speaker A:That is like.
Speaker B:I think that's what the influencer is.
Speaker A:That's what it is.
Speaker B:It's like they allow certain influencers who promote and put and propagate Rome to become successful.
Speaker B:And they give them.
Speaker B:They justify what they're doing by giving them money.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And the ones who don't promote Rome, the ones who want to tear down Rome, they.
Speaker B:They're not an influencer.
Speaker B:They're nobody.
Speaker A:They're nobody.
Speaker A:You know, they don't get resources.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So the point.
Speaker A:The point is that you can't expect.
Speaker A:If Rome is struggling to take care of its own Romans, who are you.
Speaker A:Who are you expecting Roman to get treated like a Roman when you're clearly not?
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:They've always shown.
Speaker A:No, black people are not Romans.
Speaker B:I mean, you guys are.
Speaker B:They allow a couple of us to be Romans, like the.
Speaker B:The Officer Tates and the Candace Owens.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker B:They keep, you know, a couple of us in the.
Speaker B:In the Roman pocket.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:To.
Speaker B:To let the other ones think that there's a possibility.
Speaker A:Just enough.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Barely enough.
Speaker A:And then that they.
Speaker A:They parade those around.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, we could be them, too.
Speaker B:Do it this way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And we'll let you do this.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So I'm just saying all this is a, Like a clarion call to all those.
Speaker A:Like, it's real.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you've got to start doing for self.
Speaker B:I think about the prison that Andrew Tate and Candace Owens have put themselves in and often wonder, like, do they understand that they've put themselves in prison, or are they still right now?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:You think they're not.
Speaker B:They just.
Speaker B:They're just oblivious.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Because they're.
Speaker A:They're benefiting from their celebrity in Rome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But even that.
Speaker A:And profiting.
Speaker B:But we know.
Speaker B:We know from so many celebrities that that's a front that they put on for the cameras.
Speaker B:A lot of them, you know, behind the scenes are miserable.
Speaker A:Okay, well, that's not what you asked.
Speaker B:No, but I'm saying behind the scenes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Do they go back and, like, cry to themselves about the prison they put themselves in?
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're not just in the world.
Speaker B:They're invested in that world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, we'll have to get them on the podcast and ask them.
Speaker A:Sir.
Speaker B:I said, I often ponder.
Speaker B:I don't think we'll ever.
Speaker B:Well, we won't get to.
Speaker B:To the understanding of that until they crash out.
Speaker B:If they crash.
Speaker A:If they crash out.
Speaker A:If they crash out or they just die of pseudo Roman, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a possibility.
Speaker A:You know, I just.
Speaker A:I think that's the most likely possibilities.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:You serve Rome well.
Speaker A:We're gonna just.
Speaker A:You married a white girl, Married a white.
Speaker A:Both of them married white people.
Speaker B:I don't think that's the most.
Speaker B:I feel like.
Speaker B:Like that close to the.
Speaker B:The sun.
Speaker B:You get burned.
Speaker A:What's son are we talking about?
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're in that world so much.
Speaker B:Like eventually they get burned.
Speaker B:I feel like the Tiger woods was only Tiger woods while he was Tiger woods, then he got burned.
Speaker B:I feel like that's the way that that works.
Speaker B:The OJ Simpson was OJ Simpson till he wasn't OJ Simpson and she got burned.
Speaker A:But Tiger woods is like.
Speaker A:He's burning himself by.
Speaker A:Yeah, by just being an alcoholic and crack bowl crash.
Speaker A:Literally crashing out.
Speaker A:He's a crash.
Speaker A:Literal crash out.
Speaker A:I don't feel like there's repeated crash out.
Speaker B:I don't feel like.
Speaker B:I don't feel like that lifestyle leads to happily ever after.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:I'll give you that.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:You don't get to grow old and die having always been a coon and lived your whole life.
Speaker A:There's no.
Speaker A:There's no happy ending with coonery, bro.
Speaker B:No, there's none.
Speaker A:There's none.
Speaker B:No, it's a.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's a burst of energy and then a burn.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I don't.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I don't really think you're truly, truly happy.
Speaker A:They don't really.
Speaker A:They don't seem.
Speaker A:Can't.
Speaker A:They don't seem to be happy to me.
Speaker A:They seem to be like, borderline aggravated at the sir.
Speaker A:Like underneath.
Speaker A:Like underneath the server.
Speaker A:Just aggravated and unpeaceful.
Speaker B:That's what I wonder.
Speaker B:I wonder, is that their reality?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:You know, like, there's a point in it that it's still happy and still fun.
Speaker B:And so you're still doing it.
Speaker A:I feel it.
Speaker B:I don't know what point they're at.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:They're not.
Speaker A:They don't have the same countenance and peace that I see in.
Speaker A:In Muslims.
Speaker A:I'll give that.
Speaker B:You don't get that anywhere else.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:That's only from this.
Speaker A:So that's what I see.
Speaker A:I don't See, peace.
Speaker A:I see the thing.
Speaker A:When you're a Roman, Romans don't have peace.
Speaker A:That's not their society.
Speaker A:They're hectic.
Speaker A:Chaos, chaos, hectic.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta be the, I gotta be the best.
Speaker A:I gotta to buy stuff.
Speaker A:I got to get money.
Speaker A:I got, I got, I got, I got every Roman movie.
Speaker B:That's the curse.
Speaker B:Every Roman movie.
Speaker B:Everybody just wants to get home.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All of them.
Speaker B:It's constant war, constant battle.
Speaker B:Cuz you got to keep Rome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what Rome does.
Speaker B:You got to keep roaming.
Speaker A:That's right, that's real.
Speaker A:No Rome, you know, you're never still and you're never at peace.
Speaker B:You don't get that.
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker B:That's not a part of that deal.
Speaker A:And that's.
Speaker A:To be 100% truthful and transparent is like.
Speaker A:It's not in their nature.
Speaker A:No, they weren't created to be.
Speaker A:They were created to rule for a certain period of time.
Speaker A:Chaos and hastiness is literally in their DNA.
Speaker A:Colonizers got a colonizer, they're never satisfied.
Speaker A:Always want more.
Speaker A:Oh, now we gotta colonize Mars.
Speaker B:Always.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You don't get this.
Speaker A:There's no peace with those people.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So if you're hitching your wagons to the Roman Empire, you can't expect to have peace.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:If you hit your wagons to Islam, you can get peace.
Speaker A:Now you're gonna have to.
Speaker A:It's gonna be uphill battle resources and power and land and etc.
Speaker A:But at the base of it, you get peace.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, at least we understand that there's a goal for peace.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:You know, freedom, justice, equality.
Speaker B:Which are which.
Speaker B:Equal peace.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Is the goal.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And on our side we've got a.
Speaker A:We've got a game, we've got a daunting game, but we got a game.
Speaker A:We got obstacles, we got barriers.
Speaker B:And to the degree, to the degree that we understand the game and we understand the rules, we can find peace every day.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:We don't have to wait until we've reached the ultimate peace to be at peace.
Speaker A:Only thing it takes to require.
Speaker A:Like it's just are.
Speaker A:You have to just your viewpoint is just understanding the truth, understanding that it is a game.
Speaker A:So your best strategy in playing a game is have fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Don't take this shit too seriously.
Speaker B:Don't take it personal.
Speaker A:Don't take it personal.
Speaker A:Definitely don't take it personal.
Speaker A:Anytime.
Speaker A:What I'm learning is why take anything that serious?
Speaker A:You get what I'm Saying, like, what seriousness does, it makes you rigid, you know?
Speaker A:Like, it makes you, like, solidify with your environment so you can't really move.
Speaker A:Oh, I'm so mad.
Speaker A:You can't believe they did this, and they took it, and.
Speaker B:It stifles creativity 100%.
Speaker A:So be like water.
Speaker A:That's not Sun Tzu.
Speaker A:That's another tag.
Speaker A:I can't remember who said that, but you got to be.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:You got to be able to flow.
Speaker A:Flow, and then.
Speaker A:Okay, I'll get this.
Speaker A:This is where we're going now.
Speaker B:Bruce Lee said that, I'm sure more than whoever he got it from.
Speaker A:It was an Asian man, for sure.
Speaker B:The first person I had said, you know what?
Speaker A:Let's find out.
Speaker A:Let's actually want to get.
Speaker A:If there's, like, a.
Speaker A:Can this be attributed to 1.
Speaker A:Be like water is a famous philosopher teaching from martial artisan actor Bruce Lee.
Speaker A:Oh, hey, hey.
Speaker A:That's your boy.
Speaker A:You got bars.
Speaker B:Be like water.
Speaker A:Be like water making its way through cracks.
Speaker A:Do not be assertive, but a gentleman.
Speaker A:Adjust to the object, and you shall find a way around it or through it.
Speaker A:Facts, bro.
Speaker A:Be like water.
Speaker A:And with water, like water isn't.
Speaker A:Water is flowy.
Speaker A:Water is smooth.
Speaker B:Water is.
Speaker B:But it's unyielding.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:It's relentless.
Speaker A:It's unstoppable.
Speaker A:And over time, it.
Speaker A:It changes.
Speaker A:It corrodes.
Speaker B:It cracks through.
Speaker B:It breaks.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Water's power.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And you got to think, you know, will take be like water when.
Speaker A:And also, our unity is more stronger than an atomic bomb.
Speaker A:So if together, as a unified body of believers or business people, we are unified and be like water, then over time, we're not.
Speaker A:Water's not gonna.
Speaker A:We're not gonna go anywhere.
Speaker A:We're just gonna flow around the obstacle and eventually shake the obstacle to our will.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now, what does that require, Wire?
Speaker A:Patience.
Speaker B:It does.
Speaker A:Being like water requires patience.
Speaker A:But the thing about waves and the.
Speaker A:In the.
Speaker A:In the tide, it's.
Speaker A:It's relentless.
Speaker A:It's always there.
Speaker A:You can't.
Speaker A:You can't get rid of water.
Speaker A:You can't.
Speaker A:If you boil it, it goes in the air, and it comes back down on you.
Speaker A:You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm thinking more be like water in the sense that it transmutes, but it doesn't go anywhere.
Speaker A:It just changes its form.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Powerful.
Speaker A:And if you got to be frozen for a little.
Speaker A:Okay, cool.
Speaker A:Frog Amber.
Speaker A:It's going to be frozen.
Speaker A:We're still here, though.
Speaker A:We're going to be an iceberg until.
Speaker B:We're, we're, you know, a glass of water.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm glad we're having this conversation now that I'm actually realizing just how healing water is because I go to the beach every week and you know, I really only taken up surfing to.
Speaker A:That's my excuse to get into the water.
Speaker A:And I'm started surface just like going to my children to like the public pools and swimming and I'm like, oh wow, this feels really good.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's, it's therapeutic and it's very, very, very much healing and it's, you know, I'm not gonna say it's foreign to black people, but like, you know, I don't, I, I'm not gonna call it, say water based people.
Speaker A:At least not, I'm sure in the islands, they're, they're in the water a lot, but definitely in, you know, the Americas.
Speaker A:Not really.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Yeah, the majority.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:So yeah, we're land animals.
Speaker A:You know, we play land sports, football, we run, we don't.
Speaker A:Some of us swim, but it's very few and it's like, it's not a, not a cultural thing where water sports or anything.
Speaker A:So my point is I'm learning these, these art forms and these techniques to adapt to this environment and to apply into our business and to apply into how we got to navigate through space and time.
Speaker A:Right now.
Speaker A:That's what I'm getting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Be like water.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Go with the flow, but be there.
Speaker B:I mean, and we're, we're embarking on something that neither one of us have ever done before.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker B:So there's a certain amount of anxiety that's supposed to come with that.
Speaker B:But the fact that we can do it and manage and be like water still.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's like not only are we learning something, but we're also teaching something to ourselves.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And to, and creating a blueprint so that other people can understand it in the future.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know, and it's, I think being like water is most advantageous when in times of uncertainty.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because like with water moves to whatever happens in its environment and sometimes you have to be just, okay, well we're uncertain.
Speaker A:So something in your environment is going to affect our next move.
Speaker A:You get what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So at that point that, that causal shift will move the body of water to do its thing and start creating some motion as we're seeing.
Speaker B:But the water is never nervous it's never nervous.
Speaker A:Water doesn't have feelings.
Speaker A:It just, it just goes with the flow and it moves accordingly.
Speaker A:So what we're starting to get good at is just like, okay, well, we may not know exactly what to do at this point in time, but we'll just be patient and then allow law to just put the force and the motion into the universe.
Speaker A:And, and we will respond accordingly and not fight it.
Speaker B:We take one step towards Allah and be patient as he takes two steps towards us.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:And then he takes two steps and then that, then he creates that ripple and that wiffle becomes a wave.
Speaker A:And like, oh, now we got some motion.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Motion in the ocean, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a beautiful thing.
Speaker A:It's very beautiful.
Speaker A:And I'm just, it's talking about.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:I'm saying this and I'm repeating it so I could just, you know me getting these moments, I can remind myself, oh, yeah, I remember what we said.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Okay, just be water.
Speaker A:We're good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Don't try to.
Speaker A:What Romans do is always try to do something.
Speaker A:I gotta, I gotta, I gotta stop.
Speaker A:I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta.
Speaker A:That's not peace.
Speaker A:That's not the way.
Speaker A:That's not Islamic.
Speaker A:That's not really how water is supposed to be.
Speaker A:That's not water.
Speaker B:So I, I spent my entire 30s doing that.
Speaker A:I spent.
Speaker A:I, I think I've just stopped doing that kind of real talk.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm getting better at not trying to do everything.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Late, late twenties, early thirties.
Speaker B:Was.
Speaker B:Gotta do, gotta do it, gotta do it, gotta do it.
Speaker B:And it.
Speaker B:And it don't work out.
Speaker A:It don't.
Speaker B:You know, it just stresses me out for no reason.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is.
Speaker B:It's a bunch of half cocked, half ass plans.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, because I didn't think them through.
Speaker B:I wasn't patient.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, it's not a beautiful thing.
Speaker B:Being patient is a beautiful thing.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Because whether it works out or not, you know, that's what it was supposed to do.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And most of the time it works out when you're patient.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:So we have to, I mean, you said this 20s and 30s or four, you know, just really, just like getting out, getting out, your, your actions, doing like you're.
Speaker B:I think it's like you got to get a couple mistakes under your belt.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You got to get your mistakes.
Speaker A:You got to get your doing this under your belt.
Speaker A:Like just, oh, how do I know what not to do if I don't do it?
Speaker A:So you just do a whole bunch of.
Speaker A:And then you start figuring out, okay, let me just, let me just focus on doing this.
Speaker B:30S.
Speaker B:Are you like, like the adult version of the terrible twos 30s?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it's like terrible twos when you're first getting like your own autonomy, your own like, understanding of the world and the way things are.
Speaker B:But you're like, what happens if I pull this leaf off?
Speaker B:Like, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the plant dies.
Speaker B:You're like, dang.
Speaker B:But you don't even think about it.
Speaker B:You just pulled the leaf off and now you're off doing something else.
Speaker B:Like terrible twos is like you're just exploring the world and trying out all these things.
Speaker B:I think 30s is when you get to, to a point where you like, you got enough autonomy in the world, enough sure footing where you can like, walk around and figure stuff out, but you don't have enough like, understanding of the consequences of those actions.
Speaker B:So that comes with time, like doing things.
Speaker B:And over time you get understanding.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think that's what 30s is supposed to be about.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker A:I can see that.
Speaker A:Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker A:While you were saying that, I was just.
Speaker A:I got the image of, you know, us being water and like children splashing in the pool, right?
Speaker A:It's like, we gotta let him splash.
Speaker B:Let him have fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker A:It's like, especially if you're in your 20s, you know what I mean?
Speaker A:Like, you gotta splash, bro.
Speaker A:You gotta splash.
Speaker A:You gotta jump with a diving board.
Speaker B:You feel me?
Speaker A:Gotta run across the banks, let the lifeguards get a tell you to stop running.
Speaker A:And you're going to try to do that little, that, that really fast walk just to like, ignore them.
Speaker B:Cuz you still got to get to where you got to.
Speaker B:Still got to.
Speaker A:You're still good.
Speaker B:Cuz there's only a little bit of time for the fool.
Speaker B:I'm only going to want to get you.
Speaker A:You know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:It's just like that, that, that fast walk.
Speaker A:I was like, okay, you just.
Speaker A:Oh, he told me not to run.
Speaker A:But I still, I still am rushing to the next thing.
Speaker A:But that's the beauty of like being ch.
Speaker A:Children to run around and do wild.
Speaker A:Like you got, you got a lot of.
Speaker A:You just don't, don't kill anybody.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And that's our job as adults is like allow the, the, the young, the.
Speaker A:The YNs to be YNs and like, okay, no, no, don't kill nobody.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We're not gonna let you kill nobody.
Speaker B:You can't go too far.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You're not gonna.
Speaker A:You're not gonna burn us all down.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:But we.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:The space to be who you are and move how you desire.
Speaker A:But there are boundaries, and I do think that's what maturity is, is being strong enough to set those boundaries and enforce those boundaries and make sure that the.
Speaker A:The game doesn't get out of hand.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the game doesn't end, you know, and they'll.
Speaker A:They're not going to necessarily like us for that.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:They're going to call us whatever tyrants mean, dictators.
Speaker A:Dictators, evil, racist, anything.
Speaker A:But we're just.
Speaker A:There's a.
Speaker A:We gotta enforce the law, especially as Muslims.
Speaker A:Like, Islam is the law.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So what I'm getting from this is just a more.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:More of a calling to be that, you know, to have those.
Speaker A:To have understanding for the.
Speaker A:The rambunctions.
Speaker A:Adolescence, your teens and twenties and early thirties and allowing it to be, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also, it's a very, very deep lesson.
Speaker B:It's very difficult lesson.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But it is, like, that's the only way that the child grows.
Speaker B:That's the only way that they reach maturity.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:You know, and that's the goal.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:It's like the next generation got to come up.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Otherwise it's death.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And I was.
Speaker A:I've been reading Closing the Gap, which is Brother Jabil interviewing the Honorable Minister Farrakhan.
Speaker A:And the minister talks about, you know, there's wood and there's sandpaper, and the end of the day, you want to be the wood that's getting sanded.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because the sand.
Speaker A:Sandpaper, it loses this friction.
Speaker A:You throw it away.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you gotta view any opposition, or we'll just talk about maybe this.
Speaker A:You know, the rambunctious teenagers are like the sandpaper to the.
Speaker A:The older generation.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:Yeah, they're gonna.
Speaker A:They're gonna grind at you.
Speaker A:That's their job.
Speaker A:But what comes with the patience of dealing with it, you know?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You get refined and you get better.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:That works both ways.
Speaker B:Because sometimes we're the sandpaper.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:But I think, you know, just for our.
Speaker A:I'm getting the image of, you know, the sandpaper, you know, it gets it.
Speaker A:It gets its.
Speaker A:It gets its doing this off on, like, the mature people and then.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then it realizes, okay, it's all gone.
Speaker A:I'll just get another.
Speaker A:I'll get it.
Speaker A:I'll get another piece of sandpaper or evolve to another sandpaper.
Speaker B:I guess the lesson here is you can't always be sandpaper.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You know, like be the sandpaper when it's necessary and then when the sandpaper is not necessary, don't be the sandpaper.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or you have a choice at that point.
Speaker A:Do you want to be, do you want to be a block that gets, that gets the refining process or you want to keep being sandpaper?
Speaker A:They both have a purpose.
Speaker A:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Because there would be no refinement without.
Speaker B:Sandpaper so long as they don't outlive their usefulness.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:So the minister was talking about is just viewing, you know, the sandpaper is necessary and we should accordingly.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:In fo y class tonight, it was, we watched a video with brother Mustafa Supreme Captain Mustafa.
Speaker A:And he was just given game and like it's.
Speaker A:Now was the time essentially we're saying it's like, we gotta, we gotta lock in.
Speaker A:Khadijah passed.
Speaker A:You know, departure of the minister could be imminent.
Speaker A:So who are we when he leaves?
Speaker A:Essentially what he was saying, because if we, he's the standard and if we don't drink in his attributes now, who are we gonna be when he departs?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that really, it resonated with me.
Speaker A:And so when he said lock in, I took that as let's lock in on the minister while we have him and learn going, let's go through his trials, learn all the lessons that he learned.
Speaker A:And I'm like, that's what closing the gap is.
Speaker A:He talks about.
Speaker A:This is what I went through.
Speaker A:This is how I view it.
Speaker A:You know, it's one of the, it's an amazing book you got to read Closing the Gap, bro.
Speaker A:I don't think it's an audiobook yet.
Speaker A:But no, Closing the gap is game changing because it just is mindset.
Speaker A:So when Massafar Muhammad departed or left, Elijah Muhammad became one with him.
Speaker A:When Elijah Muhammad departed harden Minister Farmakhan became one with him.
Speaker A:When the minister leaves.
Speaker A:It is our duty.
Speaker A:We all got to become Minister Farrakhan for us to have a nation of Islam and usher in the kingdom of heaven.
Speaker A:So what I'm getting right now is.
Speaker B:That's what his purpose was.
Speaker B:That's what he came for.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:It's time to lock in.
Speaker A:It's time to lock in.
Speaker A:And another thing that he, that he said that really resonated was like, just don't Think you're better than, like, out of, out of all the human beings that existed, Allah chose those three men or came as a man and then chose those two men to be him.
Speaker A:Out of all the people, he chose them and they made themselves fit for the task at hand.
Speaker A:The hardest job in the, the universe.
Speaker A:So don't get to thinking that you're that, because if you were that you would have.
Speaker A:That would be you right now.
Speaker A:So don't think that you're that.
Speaker A:Try to be that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Strive to be that.
Speaker A:That is the game.
Speaker B:Seek perfection eternally.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Don't ever think that you've arrived at perfection.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker A:Because if you arrived, you would be in that spot.
Speaker A:And those guys, those people in that spot also got someone else to keep going for.
Speaker A:And then Allah, the person, he's always trying to perfect himself like it does.
Speaker A:This game doesn't stop.
Speaker B:There's nobody better suited to tell you that they're not perfect in the person that you're looking up to.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, so even the, all of what we, we aspire or we aspire to them, they'll tell you.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Perfect.
Speaker B:Because they understand perfection is unattainable.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, it's a, it's a goal to reach for and continue reaching.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And Allah is reaching that with us.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that is what I'm getting is from, you know, the be like water, the sandpaper, the lock in from brother Mustafa is this is the process and we're still relatively early in this process.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like we haven't even.
Speaker A:Maybe we're at the point where the minister has to rebuild the nation.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like where the real work starts.
Speaker A:I'm kind of getting like, okay, we're approaching that point where we have talk, oh, now we got to rebuild the nation.
Speaker B:Well, the nation.
Speaker B:Scary when the nation starts to reach its potential.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because right now we're just, we're not even really laying the foundation yet.
Speaker B:Just like.
Speaker B:Well, I guess that's the foundation.
Speaker B:We're just, we're putting, we're putting, we're digging up the dirt and giving us a surface to work with.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and then pouring the foundation starts once we're strong enough and have, you know, amassed all of the things that we need to build the building, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:All the tools, all the, the cement, all the, the.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:The materials.
Speaker B:That's when you start on the building.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, you don't start on it without having all of that because you never know where you're going to get to.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, you.
Speaker B:You may never actually complete the building if you don't have what you need.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And it's funny, what were we watching before this podcast?
Speaker A:We were watching Oasis talking about building foundations for something that they're now just getting into.
Speaker A:Like, for real, seven years ago.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right, man.
Speaker A:So that's the journey.
Speaker A:But look at.
Speaker A:In this time frame, look, all that has happened.
Speaker A:Yeah, a lot has happened.
Speaker A:Children, businesses, expansion, farms, distribution store, San Diego.
Speaker A:A lot has happened, bro.
Speaker B:No, absolutely.
Speaker A:And it's like, it's, it's.
Speaker A:It's not even.
Speaker A:It's just the bottom.
Speaker A:The bottom level.
Speaker A:Not even built the bottom levels I even built yet.
Speaker A:It's just we're starting to like, draw the blueprints for what it's.
Speaker A:What is it going to be set upon.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So we see our lives work.
Speaker A:And I'm getting.
Speaker A:I had this dream where a while ago, it was like the minister driving a van and all of us, all like the FOI were in the van.
Speaker A:Van, like little boys.
Speaker A:And he just opened up the door and he's like, get.
Speaker A:Go.
Speaker A:Wide open spaces.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just run.
Speaker A:I got you.
Speaker B:I mean, I keep.
Speaker B:I keep saying this, but I'm like, my favorite pastime is planning the next 500 years of my life.
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker B:You know, understanding that that's how long it's going to take to get all of my visions complete.
Speaker B:But, like, enjoying the process.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, and if Allah decides to take me out before then.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I'll praise it to a lot.
Speaker B:I had fun.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I was enjoying the process.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:The whole time.
Speaker B:All the way.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:And if you think with that sort of timeline, it forced you to be patient.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's one of the.
Speaker B:The major benefits of thinking with that.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker A:And I. Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's giving me a tool.
Speaker A:I got time and.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:What I think is happening to me is, is I'm running out of like, like literally running out of like the Roman tendencies in my own mind that just wants everything right now.
Speaker A:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, because this.
Speaker A:This podcast started with me breaking my ankle, or not a strain of my ankle and having to stop forcing in the chiropractor, acupuncture.
Speaker A:Now I'm.
Speaker A:It's nothing.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:Now I have to stop Now I'm forced to be patient.
Speaker A:And now I'm like, it's.
Speaker A:Being patient is natural to me now.
Speaker A:Now I'm like, okay, there's also.
Speaker B:There's also a.
Speaker B:A place in there where we still do have to do the work.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker B:Patience is great, you know, when there is no work to be done.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, we do got to also do the work.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And that's the part, you know, finding that balance and finding that.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's a great part of this lesson.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then finding the right work to do that too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because it's got to be beneficial.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's got to be mathematical.
Speaker A:It's got to make sense.
Speaker B:And it's got to be.
Speaker B:It's gotta not just benefit the you now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But also the you in the future.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because one thing that now that I'm aware of, like, the tendency of just doing stuff, to do stuff.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, I'm not just gonna be.
Speaker A:I'm not just doing stuff anymore.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But work is still required.
Speaker A:We can be patient, but work is still required.
Speaker A:So now I think we use our own internal God discernment to determine.
Speaker A:Okay, this is how we work.
Speaker A:Okay, let's work like this.
Speaker A:And then as we've concluded that, let's create that system to where all of our work makes sense and it's systematic.
Speaker A:So that way it's less gain guessing.
Speaker A:It's like, oh, no, this is the system.
Speaker B:And when we decide to duplicate the process, we already have the system laid out.
Speaker A:Build the system.
Speaker A:So I think all of our work right now is.
Speaker A:It's okay, we're building.
Speaker A:We're actually building the system that can be duplicated.
Speaker A:That's the work.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:And that's where all of our creative use are going.
Speaker A:And we're feeling the energy of support coming in for that.
Speaker A:But that is, you know, part of.
Speaker B:That process is understanding all the things that you don't want, all the things that don't serve you.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:You know, and then, you know that that leads to building a system that is actually efficient.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, because otherwise you're just.
Speaker B:You're building systems without knowledge, without wisdom and understanding.
Speaker A:You're building chaos.
Speaker A:You're building a spiral.
Speaker A:Just a spiral of.
Speaker A:We talked about this.
Speaker A:It's just like, okay, nothing's really just a spiral.
Speaker A:Ends up pushing things downward.
Speaker A:You know, like the thing that gives a whirlpool.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It forces things downward.
Speaker A:We don't Want that.
Speaker A:We want things that uplift ourselves so we can then uplift our people.
Speaker A:So that takes time and attention.
Speaker A:But I do think Allah is, like, putting it on our hearts to having the work that we're doing now be systems and foundation.
Speaker A:Be.
Speaker A:Build the.
Speaker A:The foundational systems for the kingdom of heaven.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, when I first came in here, I. I had this vision of the way I wanted things to go, and I implemented systems that I learned from dipping chicken.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And not to say that they don't work, but if the people involved don't submit to the systems, you got to find a system that works for everybody.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And so, like, I had to quickly realize, oh, I'm not the only one here.
Speaker B:Got to be a little bit humble and a little bit patient.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And find out what this new thing needs.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:Systems it needs.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:And so, yeah, it did.
Speaker B:It was humbling, but I don't.
Speaker A:It's humbling.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's for.
Speaker A:It's forcing all of us to step up our game, so.
Speaker A:And to rise above emotions into the thinking of God.
Speaker B:Rising above emotions into the thinking of God is one of the hardest things.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:But especially when you're a passionate person.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:But then also when you do that, you're able to see the vantage point and see, no matter, you know, regardless of how people feel or what's going on, beautiful work is being done.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And people are being fed, and people are seeing what we're doing and eating better and living healthier lives and are being.
Speaker A:Or don't get it twisted, every time they come in, they see Final Call newspaper, bro.
Speaker B:I mean, and.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:Or the message to the black man, that's how do you eat to live?
Speaker A:The books, Right?
Speaker A:The books are there, bro.
Speaker B:Bro.
Speaker A:So it's, you know, they're associating what they're seeing with the foundation.
Speaker A:So it's our job just to make sure that the.
Speaker A:The blueprint and the message that inspired it all is not forgotten and is part of the DNA.
Speaker A:And it is our flag has been planted, and it's not going anywhere.
Speaker B:Indeed.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You ready to wrap it up?
Speaker A:Yeah, me too.
Speaker A:I'm feeling it.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:It's so weird.
Speaker B:Like, we do the podcast, and my energy be, like, way up here.
Speaker B:Then I just get to a point where it's like, you said everything you needed to say.
Speaker A:Yeah, no, no, I feel it, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, we.
Speaker A:We did.
Speaker A:So now it's time to close it.
Speaker B:Up and I. I don't even know what all I said.
Speaker B:I'm gonna have to go back and listen to it just to figure that part out.
Speaker A:Yes, you will.
Speaker A:Prayer time.
Speaker A:Bismillahimidim.
Speaker A:O Allah, thank you for this conversation.
Speaker A:Give us the energy to do the work that you desire us to do.
Speaker A:Give us the power to stay humble and not be led by eagle.
Speaker A:And to stay in the process of becoming one with you through all the trials, through all the sandpapering, through all the friction.
Speaker A:Give us the power to be water when appropriate, and to take on the form that's going to allow us to serve you the best.
Speaker A:We love and serve you alone.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:I mean.
